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re: John Brady compared to Matt McMahon
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:17 pm to Klingler7
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:17 pm to Klingler7
It’s pretty much all about being as cheap as possible with Woody and basketball. It’s the real reason Wade was fired and if you look at the cuts that were made for the recruiting budget and the basketball operations people within the admin it’s obvious. Still if you had anyone that knows basketball around you could make a cheap hire that could still coach but we don’t have a single person in that capacity. It’s complete negligence on Woodys part.
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Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:22 pm to Madking
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There are no looming sanctions and the talent level currently on the team dwarfs what Brady had in his first 2 seasons.
Also remember that the strength of the SEC as a Basketball conference now compared to then is night and day. The depth of talent, coaching, facilities, commitment towards Basketball, number of quality to very good basketball teams now compared to then is no comparison.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:25 pm to Madking
quote:Agreed. I think many of us are already apathetic for this program and it’s still fricking December. When you see guys like Alt, S, yourself, bottom, etc. you know we’re in dire straits.
McMahon is never going to win and people who actually watch basketball know this. The problem is when he’s fired the next guy may not be any better.
This shite is terrible and we don’t have that hope imo. Even under CJJ there was a glimmer. Lol. This is the worst for me. I don’t see the hope or progress.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:27 pm to MarioBrothers
Well the SEC was rolling in the 90s with 3 national titles, a bunch of final 4 appearances, title game appearances and top 5 draft picks as well in the decade. That tapered off when the changes to CBB and eligibility started to happen so in 2015 or 16 the conference established a basketball initiative to pump money into all the SEC programs and since then recruiting has sky rocketed.
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:33 pm to drizztiger
I’m with you, it’s never been so bleak in terms of prospects for the future. We’re a rudderless, listless ship and the admin couldn’t care less. When the McMahon hire was made it was a sickening feeling. Forget about the Will Wade situation, hiring that guy was a tell we had no idea what we were doing.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:37 pm to Madking
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The problem is when he’s fired the next guy may not be any better. Our admin has zero basketball people and McMahon was hired on a recommendation from an outside source so we have no plan and no vision when it comes to what we want basketball to be.
Bingo
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:41 pm to Madking
Being apathetic without hope is just depression. I am not a recruiting expert on the HS level. Is there really any way that this basketball coach can even sell this program at this point ? Can this even be fixed within the next four seasons ?
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:43 pm to doubleb
Brady didn’t have a transfer portal though
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:48 pm to Klingler7
No and the talent level isn’t really the problem. McMahon’s style wants to be half court, high efficiency offense with no transition game and no real bite on defense in any way. The problem is even ideally what he runs on offense isn’t going to work regardless of the talent. He doesn’t attack the middle of the floor, he forces the offense to start in low leverage spots deep into the shot clock and he doesn’t use his size enough for the style he wants. He’s a very limited mid major coach who doesn’t translate to the higher levels in any way.
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:49 pm to Madking
quote:I personally didn't dislike the CoachMc hire, but also I don't pretend to know which coaches are going to be successful. MBB has too many teams and coaches to project that for me.
When the McMahon hire was made it was a sickening feeling. Forget about the Will Wade situation, hiring that guy was a tell we had no idea what we were doing.
However, CoachMc first presser was a mind number. And he hasn't shown anything since to have belief he's the guy. Idiot posters on here will tell you he built Murray State - such a laughable thing. I think Alt said earlier, Wade didn't build VCU, he inherited. Same for CoachMc at Murray State. He's arguably the worst coach they had in 20+ years.
This is why it's difficult to discuss LSU Basketball. Most are ignorant and choose to double down on their ignorance.
Honestly man, the last thing I want to hear from any poster is wife's checking account stupidity while arguing anything else. It's mind numbing.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:51 pm to Madking
Idk if it’s fair to say SW doesn’t care about men’s basketball, when it’s rolling it’s the second biggest moneymaker in your department, it still may be .
He obviously cares for the women’s side after giving KM one of the biggest contracts ever for a woman’s coach.
He obviously cares for the women’s side after giving KM one of the biggest contracts ever for a woman’s coach.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:51 pm to doubleb
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:52 pm to doubleb
I don’t know where to start with this post.
1. There are no “looming sanctions”. They’ve already been given. In essence, the sanctions are the loss of ONE scholarship for each of the next two seasons. That’s it.
2. Brady did not have the transfer rules available now. That severely limited his ability to build a roster quickly. He was left with just JUCO and HS signee avenues.
I don’t think some comprehend how quickly a program can be rebuilt with the transfer rules today. Look no further than the program LSU lost to today. Last year their HC inherited a roster with LESS returning players than McMahon had last season. And those players weren’t leftovers from a NCAAT team. They were leftovers from a program that had not had a winning season in three years. Yet, through transfers the team was completely rebuilt to the point where they were an eyelash away from the Final Four last season.
So save the BS that enough time hasn’t passed to judge McMahon. Patience is not a virtue in this new eras of college basketball and his team is not only losing l, but is among the bottom 25% of power conference programs.
He is going to have to rebuild a roster again next season. Thus far, he has not proven he can in two tries. So why will next year be better?
1. There are no “looming sanctions”. They’ve already been given. In essence, the sanctions are the loss of ONE scholarship for each of the next two seasons. That’s it.
2. Brady did not have the transfer rules available now. That severely limited his ability to build a roster quickly. He was left with just JUCO and HS signee avenues.
I don’t think some comprehend how quickly a program can be rebuilt with the transfer rules today. Look no further than the program LSU lost to today. Last year their HC inherited a roster with LESS returning players than McMahon had last season. And those players weren’t leftovers from a NCAAT team. They were leftovers from a program that had not had a winning season in three years. Yet, through transfers the team was completely rebuilt to the point where they were an eyelash away from the Final Four last season.
So save the BS that enough time hasn’t passed to judge McMahon. Patience is not a virtue in this new eras of college basketball and his team is not only losing l, but is among the bottom 25% of power conference programs.
He is going to have to rebuild a roster again next season. Thus far, he has not proven he can in two tries. So why will next year be better?
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 12/9/23 at 5:52 pm to drizztiger
The red flags for me were the fact that out of the last 6 Murray State coaches he was 4th in winning%. Even when he had huge talent advantages his point differentials were slim at the mid major level and he didn’t beat anybody who had equal or better talent. There were other coaches available who had done these things, had better pedigrees from the staffs they had come from and were playing the more modern style of basketball.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:18 pm to Alt26
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1. There are no “looming sanctions”. They’ve already been given. In essence, the sanctions are the loss of ONE scholarship for each of the next two seasons. That’s it.
Your reading comprehension is poor. Here is what I posted.
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Both coached took over in bad situations. Both were left with very poor rosters and looming NCAA sanctions
I was posting about the situation when both coaches were hired.
You retorted:
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2. Brady did not have the transfer rules available now. That severely limited his ability to build a roster quickly. He was left with just JUCO and HS signee avenues.
I said the same thing in my post and added in the NIL.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:49 pm to doubleb
COMPLETE AND UTTER BULL shite!
There was no NIL.
There is NO LOOMING ANYTHING. Amazing how that is some bull shite.
MANY MANY MANY coaches inherited this and WORST and completely turned it around INCLUDING WILL FREAKING WADE.
Stop making excuses!
There was no NIL.
There is NO LOOMING ANYTHING. Amazing how that is some bull shite.
MANY MANY MANY coaches inherited this and WORST and completely turned it around INCLUDING WILL FREAKING WADE.
Stop making excuses!
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 12/9/23 at 6:58 pm to doubleb
Brady didn’t have the transfer portal or NIL.. so what’s McLoser’s excuse?.. oh I know Will Wade, let’s blame it on him… LMAOOOO … how long are the Mclosers fan club going to use this excuse…I’ve seen better discipline basketball @ the REC…
This post was edited on 12/9/23 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:00 pm to doubleb
It's revisionist history to imply LSU fans loved Brady when he was coach. He was constantly roasted by the fan based. His teams scored 50 - 60 points a game, it wasn't always pretty to watch. Outside of the Sweet 16 year and the Final Four, his record was mediocre. He was fired less than two years after his Final Four. His first two years LSU went 2-14 and 4-12 in the SEC. Year three was the Sweet 16 and he followed that up in year four going 2-14 in the SEC.
And to say he was handed a comparable roster situation as McMahon is laughable. McMahon inherited 0 scholarship players. Any criticism that McMahon is underperformed is fair but quit the false equivalents.
And to say he was handed a comparable roster situation as McMahon is laughable. McMahon inherited 0 scholarship players. Any criticism that McMahon is underperformed is fair but quit the false equivalents.
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:00 pm to Tiger1988
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Stop making excuses!
I made no excuses. I simply compared the two coaches. I stated that McMahon had an advantage in the portal and in NIL.
You anti McMahon people can’t even read.
Fwiw, it is easier for McMahon for those reasons and like everyone else I have been very disappointed. I even gave up my tickets.
But I posted facts,
Posted on 12/9/23 at 7:30 pm to doubleb
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Fwiw, it is easier for McMahon for those reasons and like everyone else I have been very disappointed. I even gave up my tickets. But I posted facts,
I said 15 wins and he gets 3. <10 he was 1 more. That’s the end.
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