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re: Joel Klatt on Brian Kelly

Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:59 am to
Posted by JiminyCricket
Member since Jun 2017
5964 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 8:59 am to
quote:

This is so dumb.

BK was 42-6 his last 4 years, 21-3 in his last 2. Freeman is 38-12.

LSU was 11-12, BK is 34-13.

Not really comparable situations.


Yeah, there's plenty to blame Brian Kelly for but Klatt is just throwing additional things that really don't make sense because things aren't going well. The Notre Dame point is a bad one by Joel.
Posted by Sheriff Brackett
St. Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2024
340 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:03 am to
BK hasn't lived up to expectations here. But they act like Freeman built ND back to where it is now, and that simply isn't true.

3 of his last 4 seasons at ND, he went to a NY6 bowl and the other season was an 11-2 finish in 2019.

ND plays the softest schedule imaginable every year (throw in the service academies, Akron and Northern Illinois and get one average P5 opponent), so they are always in the playoff discussion.

They also didn't acknowledge that ND beat UGA with the backup, Gunner Stockton making his first collegiate start last season.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 9:13 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42832 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:05 am to
Brian Kelly is mailing it in.

Anyone but the retarded Kelly Sycophants on this board could see that.

You could see it last year. Unless you're a high school band dork that was in the GBFTL.
Posted by tigahland
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2016
3526 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:21 am to
quote:

"We went out and got Brian Kelly and we're getting Brian Kelly."


Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3865 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:24 am to
Lol Klatt was in no way 100% right. Most of what is stated is easily refuted. How did Kelly hold Notre Dame back when he took them to levels of success they hadn't had in decades? Also Freemans resume so far doesn't surpass Kelly's. The recruiting comment is missing all the important context and when included shows that is another silly take. You can make a legitimate argument that Kelly isn't a D1 National Championship Coach or think he isn't a good fit here. Klatt's take however was full of holes.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 9:27 am
Posted by Sissidog02
Member since Jan 2020
6807 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:25 am to
He’s so SMUG and always thinks he’s the Smartest person in the room. He’s much like a psychopath or serial killer (no offense to serial killers).
Posted by bippotheclown
NW LA
Member since Nov 2022
54 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:33 am to
Just think about Ryan Day. Took him a long time to be "National Champion" coach.

Kelly was our best option then and I have more faith in him than some unproven up-and-coming hopeful. Yea, it's been rocky with the bad DC hire, firing half of LSU staff when he got there, Sloan hire, etc. But I still believe he's got the experience and knowledge to bring us to the top again.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83149 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:41 am to
The Rant is deranged
Coming up with psychoanalysis and digging for past interviews etc. All we need to do is watch LSU. That oughta be reason enough without needing to get emotional and personal.
Posted by saint tiger225
San Diego
Member since Jan 2011
46377 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 9:56 am to
It's weird. Some of the stuff I've read over the past few days is pretty wild.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56174 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:31 am to
I agree with pretty much everything he said
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56174 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:34 am to
quote:

ou can make a legitimate argument that Kelly isn't a D1 National Championship Coach or think he isn't a good fit here. Klatt's take however was full of holes.


If we finish 7-5 and ND goes to the playoff again

let me know what holes you think are his case...

It's true we all thought ND couldn't win because they couldn't get the big boys and depth to win

the title game against Bama was the case made

Alabama was superior athletically, the game was over before it started

Kelly got them there but realized he had to be a different pond to win it over a powerhouse SEC team like Bama

the problem now is NIL- Bama will no longer be able to stack 5 stars 2 and 3 deep

we all know the landscap is changing quickly

What to make of Indiana? That's appears to be nothing short of great coaching and player development
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12963 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:41 am to
quote:

And of those 42 wins, only 9 were against top25 opponents. All the losses were against top 10 oppenents.



How many wins vs Top 10?
Posted by Kool Kaliper
Mansfield, TX
Member since Nov 2018
2984 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Marcus was left a silver platter




Freeman had to change the culture of the program, and I commend him for that, as it was the most challenging aspect of his job. If you take a look at the recruits he's bringing in, they are better than the Ivy League recruits that BK brought in. Freeman is actively going into urban areas to find high-quality student-athletes, while BK seemed too good to recruit from those neighborhoods.

BK mostly scheduled weaker teams, while Freeman is taking on challenging opponents like Texas A&M and coming out victorious. Alabama beat the brakes off of ND when BK was the coach, whereas Freeman managed to out-physically dominate Georgia. A minority coach at Notre Dame is not easy, and to say he was left a silver platter shows ignorance. On his worse day he has to be better than his peers, Freeman can't afford to have an annual three-game losing streak like BK, it's no "next year" for a minority coach.
Posted by Big EZ Tiger
Member since Jul 2010
26286 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 11:53 am to
quote:

- Freeman's first 4 years of recruiting are half a star better than BK's last four yrs of recruiting there.

Not saying Freeman isn't a good recruiter, but he has NIL and the portal. BK didn't. That gives many coaches/teams way more options than before.

Also, Freeman has the expanded playoff. Kelly didn't at ND. When Kelly made it to the title game in his 3rd year, he had an undefeated regular season. Even when he made it to the playoffs, it was only 4 teams. Freeman would have not made it to the playoffs or the title game in the old format with a loss to Northern Illinois. ND would have been eliminated from contention immediately.

I understand why ND fans were ready to see BK go and they may be reasonably happier with Freeman, but BK did build a good program there and Freeman benefited from that. It's a lot harder to build something (though it's not easy to maintain success either for an extended period regardless of what condition a program is in when you take it over).
Posted by mule74
Watersound Beach
Member since Nov 2004
12532 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 11:55 am to
quote:

Freeman's first 4 years of recruiting are half a star better than BK's last four yrs of recruiting there.


There is no more recruiting. It’s called signing players for more money.
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3721 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

much better fit


I'm so sick of hearing this term.

All that matters is when it comes to fit is Ws.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42574 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

- ND wasn't holding BK back; BK was holding ND back.


quote:

- Freeman's first 4 years of recruiting are half a star better than BK's last four yrs of recruiting there.


Hmm, I wonder if that is because they relaxed some of the absurd standards they had before BK left?

quote:

- Maybe BK isn't a national championship type coach.


I'm not saying he is or isn't, but how does one decide that? I mean, maybe Freeman isn't either, or Kiffin, or Cignetti, or Deboer. How many current coaches are definitely national championship coaches in the FBS?

People were saying that about Jim Harbaugh and Ryan Day just 3 years ago.

You can definitely say that about Dabo, Smart, and Day. Anyone else?
Posted by John Casey
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2016
3721 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:50 pm to
quote:


Freeman had to change the culture of the program, and I commend him for that, as it was the most challenging aspect of his job


So challenging......

Freeman took over an 11-1 Notre Dame that finished #5 in final college football playoff rankings and after 3 years of Freeman, Notre Dame finished 11-1 and ranked #5 in final college football playoff rankings.

quote:

BK mostly scheduled weaker teams, while Freeman is taking on challenging opponents like Texas A&M and coming out victorious.


The scheduling under Kelly was no different than it is under Freeman: 2 or 3 big time programs and then a bunch of middle to lower of the pack power 4 schools and service academies. Notre Dame has no control over if those programs will be up or down at the time the games are played.

In his time at Notre Dame, Kelly, in the regular seasons played: Stanford (in its prime) Michigan State (in its prime), Utah, Oklahoma, Georgia, Michigan, USCw, Arizona State, Florida State (in its prime), Texas, Clemson, and Wisconsin.

quote:

On his worse day he has to be better than his peers, Freeman can't afford to have an annual three-game losing streak like BK, it's no "next year" for a minority coach.


LOL, what?

This makes me believe the whole post is a troll post and I got got, lol.
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 12:51 pm
Posted by Kool Kaliper
Mansfield, TX
Member since Nov 2018
2984 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:10 pm to
okay
This post was edited on 10/23/25 at 3:12 pm
Posted by reauxl tigers
Tiger Woods Fan
Member since Aug 2014
9813 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:32 pm to
Notre Dame was holding Notre Dame back. That’s still the case, but even more so during Kelly’s tenure.
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