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re: Joel Klatt : "Freeman took the job Kelly ran from and elevated it past where he had it"
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:55 pm to Tactical Syrup
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:55 pm to Tactical Syrup
Freeman is doing a better job at ND than BK is at LSU. That’s pretty clear.
It’s also pretty clear and absolutely true that ND’s schedule will always be chalk and cheese compared to LSU’s in the SEC. BK won a crapload of games with those weak arse schedules and made multiple playoffs and a national title game.
Also true Freeman walked in to a good situation that BK left behind vs the shitshow O left BK. I doubt Freeman would have more wins at LSU than Kelly currently does.
Its still early. Let’s see how this debate looks in a few years.
It’s also pretty clear and absolutely true that ND’s schedule will always be chalk and cheese compared to LSU’s in the SEC. BK won a crapload of games with those weak arse schedules and made multiple playoffs and a national title game.
Also true Freeman walked in to a good situation that BK left behind vs the shitshow O left BK. I doubt Freeman would have more wins at LSU than Kelly currently does.
Its still early. Let’s see how this debate looks in a few years.
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:56 pm to bayoujd
Go be a ND fan, you obviously love Freeman and that shiny golden helmet far more than LSU.
Just look at how you bend the narrative to ND's benefit. This was UGA's worst team during the run that they're on, and they were without their QB, and Indiana is fricking Indiana.
They don't have anything off their back and haven't done anything more than what Kelly accomplished during his time there.
You act like they're the champs already. Here's a cheat sheet for you, they're not champs of anything.
They haven't even earned the right to play for a championship. So no, they haven't accomplished anything more, but smooth brained people such as yourself are on here throwing ND a victory parade, and for what ? Beating a down UGA without their QB, who would certainly have had a say in their victory had he been healthy, and fricking Indiana.
If you can't discern the difference between your "facts" and reality, then you're no better than the average, low IQ rant poster, and I shouldn't trouble myself with shitty hot takes and flawed opinions/logic.
Just look at how you bend the narrative to ND's benefit. This was UGA's worst team during the run that they're on, and they were without their QB, and Indiana is fricking Indiana.
They don't have anything off their back and haven't done anything more than what Kelly accomplished during his time there.
You act like they're the champs already. Here's a cheat sheet for you, they're not champs of anything.
They haven't even earned the right to play for a championship. So no, they haven't accomplished anything more, but smooth brained people such as yourself are on here throwing ND a victory parade, and for what ? Beating a down UGA without their QB, who would certainly have had a say in their victory had he been healthy, and fricking Indiana.
If you can't discern the difference between your "facts" and reality, then you're no better than the average, low IQ rant poster, and I shouldn't trouble myself with shitty hot takes and flawed opinions/logic.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:57 pm to Slim
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Out of Kelly’s own mouth, he said LSU would compete for a championship in his 3rd year
I feel like this year 3 comment has been misconstrued over time. Kelly was asked a question and he gave his thoughts with an answer.
He didn't "promise" or make any sort of guarantee and I think no matter what his answer was, people would still be unhappy and calling for his head.
Toppmeyer asked Kelly when he thinks LSU will be ready to seriously contend for a national championship.
“We need another year of recruiting – one more really good year on both sides of the ball, I think, puts us in a position where, I think Year 3, the consistency piece, the depth of our program, the messaging, all the things we do on a day-to-day basis, puts us in a position to compete for a championship,” Kelly told Toppmeyer .
“Year 2, the foundation is in place. I think there’s a really good confidence within the group. We’ve got good players. There’s some holes. There’s a little air coming out of the tire here and there. I think we’ve kind of patched most of it, but I think Year 3 is probably the year where I’ll feel, in terms of building a program, we’ve had enough time to really put the pieces together
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:57 pm to LSBoosie
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This year has the 21st ranked SOS in the regular season. In 2018, the year that that Brian Kelly took them to the
Are you counting the playoff games or regular season? My guess is playoff games are in that and is not what I stated.
What were they I’m the regular season when they played one team that ended the regular season ranked and that was mediocre Army that played in an awful AAC this year.
Here was their regular season schedule:
A&M 8-4
Northern Illinois 7-5
Purdue 1-11
Miami (OH) 8-5
Louisville 8-4
Stanford 3-9
Georgia Tech 7-5
Navy 10-3
Florida State 2-10
Virginia 5-7
Army 12-2
USC 6-6
So they played not a single P4 team with less than 4 regular season losses.
Most of them were ACC teams considered by far the worst P4 conference.
Played 4 P4 teams that ended with losing records including 3 that were 3-9 or worse.
Overall opponents record:
71 - 71 counting 2 MAC teams and 2 AAC teams.
For P4 teams, overall record was 42-56.
This is why their season was a joke and calling it some great accomplishment because they beat a bad Indiana team whose best win was Michigan.
Look, I get they beat UGA and it’s a good win against a team with significant injuries, but people have lost their mind as ND doesn’t make the playoff in a 4 team playoff and that is something Kelly did twice along with the BCS title game.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:57 pm to Tactical Syrup
KELLY has 100 million reasona not to give a shite.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:58 pm to LSBoosie
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It is currently much harder to make the national championship game than it was in the BCS era. You realize that right?
If you mean for the top 2 teams, sure. For teams that never had a shot it is easier seeing as it is now possible.
Notre Dame isn’t even in the playoffs based on last years system.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 1:59 pm to S
quote:It’s not early. 3 years with the portal and NIL is enough time. Kelly said the same.
Its still early. Let’s see how this debate looks in a few years.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:00 pm to MetArl15
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It’s not early. 3 years with the portal and NIL is enough time. Kelly said the same.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:00 pm to Tactical Syrup
Very premature take. Notre Dame is pretty much where they usually are in the pecking order leading into the championship. Kelly had them this far many times. They need to close the deal before we start acting like this program is stronger than it was under Kelly.
And the national media needs to stop pretending that college football isn't a radically different animal today versus Kelly's Notre Dame years.
And the national media needs to stop pretending that college football isn't a radically different animal today versus Kelly's Notre Dame years.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:01 pm to Geauxgurt
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Are you counting the playoff games or regular season? My guess is playoff games are in that and is not what I stated.
You would be wrong. It's regular season which is why I specifically said that.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:03 pm to Geauxgurt
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If you mean for the top 2 teams, sure.
Yes I mean for the top 2 teams. That's why I specifically said it is harder to make the national championship game.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:05 pm to ZenFNmaster
Y'all can take it however you want but as of now, Notre Dame is a better football team than LSU. Until LSU can prove that they are a better football team than Notre Dame, the Freeman > Kelly narrative is going to continue.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:10 pm to MetArl15
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It’s not early. 3 years
3 years is too early to draw concrete conclusions as to who’s the better coach. Yea Kelly set himself up with that comment but idc. Let’s see how this looks going into 2027 and beyond. Freeman has a handicap with that annual joke of a schedule.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:11 pm to LSBoosie
Where would ND be with the 4 team format this year?
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:15 pm to LSBoosie
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You would be wrong. It's regular season which is why I specifically said that.
So you want me to believe playing a 42-56 P4 schedule plus 2 MAC and AAC teams is a good tough schedule?
You are kidding me right?
By the way College Football Network had them at 57th.
Going into the last week of the regular season, SI had them at 78. Pretty sure a 6-6 USC didn’t vault them 57 spots.
Where are your numbers from?
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:15 pm to MetArl15
Under normal circumstances, I'd agree, but things are changing year to year and teams are either innovating or treading water to keep up. NIL is like an out of control wild fire and coaches are trying to adapt every single year.
If I'd have told you 2 years ago that the #1 Highschool QB recruit would take more money to sign than the vast majority of rostered NFL QB's, and more than 25% of FBS scholarship football players had been in the portal at least once with numbers growing by double digits every year, you'd probably call me crazy.
If I'd have told you 2 years ago that the #1 Highschool QB recruit would take more money to sign than the vast majority of rostered NFL QB's, and more than 25% of FBS scholarship football players had been in the portal at least once with numbers growing by double digits every year, you'd probably call me crazy.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:18 pm to LSBoosie
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Yes I mean for the top 2 teams. That's why I specifically said it is harder to make the national championship game.
Your point? Most years the top 2 are pretty clear and deserving. A few years, you have an argument for a couple of others. Now with this format, it’s a free for all and you are rewarding teams for blah seasons with a spot in the playoff.
This season in particular is harder for the top 2 and it showed. They earned their spots based on the regular season/Conference championship games to get shafted by awful rules that gave undeserving teams byes.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:23 pm to Catahoula20LSU
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Freeman hasn’t done anything more than BK did at Notre Dame. 4 team playoff vs 12 teams. If he wins a championship then people can talk. Media folks are still pissed that BK left blue blood Notre Dame for LSU.
the hype is all about Notre Dame winning a ny6 type bowl game for the first time in 30 years. kelly never won a major bowl game. i agree that all the hype is a bit much, but it's still a milestone that Notre Dame hasn't achieved in a loooong time.
kelly's last season was similar to this one except he lost to the one opponent with a pulse (cincy) and used a portal qb to do it.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:27 pm to Irish Knuckles
Moving to LSU was a great move for Kelly under the old model.
In this new, constantly changing world of college football, I'm not so sure. Until the NIL bubble finally bursts and some reforms happen, boosters with the most money will simply buy all the players. It feels like programs/coaches have less control than ever over their own rosters.
In this new, constantly changing world of college football, I'm not so sure. Until the NIL bubble finally bursts and some reforms happen, boosters with the most money will simply buy all the players. It feels like programs/coaches have less control than ever over their own rosters.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 2:31 pm to Vacherie Saint
i agree kelly kinda screwed himself, but i don't think anyone knew how crazy this would get. LSU looks like they've opened up the coffers, but he has a much tougher job in baton rouge.
i still pull for him as LSU is my local team and i'm from Louisiana.
i still pull for him as LSU is my local team and i'm from Louisiana.
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