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re: Joe Brady not looking so good in Carolina
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:32 am to atltiger6487
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:32 am to atltiger6487
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E had Burrow, Chase, Jefferson, Helaire, and the OL in 2018, and didn't do much with it.
Only after Brady got here in 2019 did the offense explode.
2019 was because of Brady, not E.
But love and self-serving reasoning usually prevails over actual experience. At least on this site.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 11:34 am
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Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:34 am to 33inNC
I’m his defense, Sam Darnold is a horrible QB
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:40 am to jackamo3300
I don’t know when people are going to figure out that Burrow dedicating himself that entire offseason before 2019 is what made Brady who he was. How many of the highlight reel plays were Burrow improvising out of the pocket or throwing an absolute dime into/over coverage?
Brady has some great play designs, sure, but he doesn’t have that season without Joe putting in the work. He’s being neutralized in the NFL because the playing field is even.
Brady has some great play designs, sure, but he doesn’t have that season without Joe putting in the work. He’s being neutralized in the NFL because the playing field is even.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 11:49 am
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:45 am to atltiger6487
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E had Burrow, Chase, Jefferson, Helaire, and the OL in 2018, and didn't do much with it.
Burrow came in late in 18 without the benefit of spring and bowl practice practice. Chase and Marshall were much improved in their second years and Moss finally got on the field. We essentially improved at every offensive skill position from 18 to 19. Brady deserves credit but that offense was improving one way or another.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:48 am to Maximus
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E was mediocre to failure level in 10 different tries as an OC but yeah it was probably his offense in 2019
That’s not really fair. His offense was good when he took over as interim.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:50 am to MightyYat
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I don’t know when people are going to figure out that without Burrow dedicating himself that entire offseason before 2019 is what made Brady who he was. How many of the highlight reel plays were Burrow improvising out of the pocket or throwing an absolute dime into/over coverage?
Brady has some great play designs, sure, but he doesn’t have that season without Joe putting in the work. He’s being neutralized in the NFL because the playing field is even
Best logical post on this thread. Lincoln Riley or Ryan Day would have had the same results, and Brian Hartline would have also.
with a cyborg QB and outlandishly good WR's.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 11:52 am
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:51 am to MightyYat
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I don’t know when people are going to figure out that without Burrow dedicating himself that entire offseason before 2019 is what made Brady who he was. How many of the highlight reel plays were Burrow improvising out of the pocket or throwing an absolute dime into/over coverage?
Brady has some great play designs, sure, but he doesn’t have that season without Joe putting in the work. He’s being neutralized in the NFL because the playing field is even.
This. Some here act like Brady was the only one responsible for the success. As you say, Brady has great play design, but little experience calling games and E filled that gap.
It seems that this is what we are seeing with Peetz, as he may be able to draw up stuff, but his play calling is suspect.
I am in no way bashing Brady, but he isn't some magical hero who does no wrong.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:56 am to 33inNC
No. More credit to Joe Burrow and his receivers.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:59 am to 33inNC
I can't defend the loss to the Eagles, other than to say every team has a bad game now and then, and they're missing their star RB.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:01 pm to 33inNC
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You are kind of making my point for me- There were way more factors than just Brady in 2019 and even though he will one day be great, he has a lot to learn.
There isn’t a person on here who doesn’t think talent had a lot to do with it.
You’re pint was that E didn’t get enough credit
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:04 pm to 33inNC
Imagine leaving for the NFL thinking hell yea I got the best RB in the league……oof
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:12 pm to FreddieMac
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You saw the RPOs in the UCF game. E started the transition to the spread after the 2018 Bama game. E does not get enough credit for 2019.
Umm if this is true, then why did I hear O say in an interview that after that season he was bringing in someone to teach E the spread so they can run it. He gave a lot of credit to E to being open and letting someone else come in and create the entire offense. E may have called most of the plays, but this was entirely Joe Brady’s offense. To think isn’t not is just idiotic.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:16 pm to SammyTiger
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You’re pint was that E didn’t get enough credit
You are allowed to make multiple points, no?
E does deserve more credit, who else would let Brady come in like he did? E may not have been the man in his own, but his dedication allowed Brady to blossom. Too many people seem to just crown Brady and not realize his limitations. We are also seeing it first hand now with Peetz, he is not at all ready and needs an "E" to provide stability. E is not the answer this time, unfortunately.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:19 pm to 33inNC
Looking over Scott Woodward's resume, he will go after success. His basketball hire is clear indication that he is only interested in past record, not what might be.
The success we are talking here revolves around Jimbo Fisher, Lincoln Riley and Dabo Swinney. While Fisher might be unattainable after the success with Alabama, the others are waiting to be picked when the cash is presented.
The success we are talking here revolves around Jimbo Fisher, Lincoln Riley and Dabo Swinney. While Fisher might be unattainable after the success with Alabama, the others are waiting to be picked when the cash is presented.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:21 pm to 33inNC
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There were way more factors than just Brady in 2019
of course, there always is, it is beyond frustrating to me that most people treat everything like it is monocausal. that's not an indictment of Brady however, he was IMO the one that put it over the top. All signs point to him having a bright future.
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He ran the same formations that led to them being so predictable the DB's jumped routes and intercepted.
wow you mean a professional DC and professional DB made key plays,
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f you really listen to me,
what i hear is an upset fan his team lost and didn't play well. The last thing i listen to ever are fans and 99% of the media griping about "play calling" almost all the time its simply because what was called didn't work, that it didn't work doesn't automatically mean it was a bad call. Now sometimes it is but that varies and no one is going to win (not just the game, i mean plays as well) every single time. SAm Darnold looks a lot better this year overall, that's way more telling to me than, OMG on this "red zone" situation we threw a pass instead of running or OMG we ran, we should have passed...
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:28 pm to OceanMan
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His offense was good when he took over as interim.
was it though? A lot of people (Jimmy Ott used to hammer on this all the time) went gaga how against Missouri we set an LSU record for total offense in an SEC game. We had 634 yard of total offense. I don't know what the previous record was but barely a year earlier Les and Cam had 624 yds of TO vs South Carolina
We racked up some points against shitty teams but against Bama and Florida we scored 10 points combined.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:29 pm to H-Town Tiger
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wow you mean a professional DC and professional DB made key plays,
If it was just a one time thing, then you'd be right, but it seems there is a pattern. No way will you convince me that running up the gut is the right call when he called them yesterday. He has done this kind of stuff since last year too.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:33 pm to 33inNC
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No way will you convince me that running up the gut is the right call when he called them yesterday.
obviously because it didn't work
ETA: fans always have a love/hate relationship with coordinators, they are either the greatest ever and we never want him to leave or he sucks and we can't wait to get rid of him
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 10/11/21 at 12:43 pm to 33inNC
Anyway, good spotting, and it makes you take a long second look at Ensminger's contributions to 2019.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 3:36 pm to Townedrunkard
Go watch the ucf game. LSU already had installed RPOs and did more spread concepts. Brady did not bring the Brady spread offense, he brought the passing attack of the Sean Peyton and the Saints. Without a doubt he brought the Saints matchup system, but there is no Joe Brady offense.
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