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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:30 pm to WacoTiger
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:30 pm to WacoTiger
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut. If he had made the throw before the cut, like on a fade route, RR would have been the only player that could have caught the ball. As is typical, JJ can't make the decision to throw until RR makes his cut; by then, it is too late.
Bingo!
Even in the last pic, with "double coverage", Randle is behind both of them, so the fade would have worked. . .again
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:31 pm to Adam Banks
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Considering if JJ looked to the right to where there was not even a receiver running a route like North Tiger wants him to Id be willing to bet the safetys IQ is higher than North Tiger's
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:32 pm to LSUPHILLY72
quote:This is where the fail is evident. Ball should have been in the air at this point.
PIC 5-
Terrible analysis BTW.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:32 pm to just me
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Rueben Randle ran an in/out option from the six yard line. The inside route is taken away so Randle drives hard straight ahead for 10 yards, halfway into the endzone. THEN he cuts on a 90° angle to the outside, at which point if the ball were there it would have been a touchdown
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:39 pm to just me
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Rueben Randle ran an in/out option from the six yard line. The inside route is taken away so Randle drives hard straight ahead for 10 yards, halfway into the endzone. THEN he cuts on a 90° angle to the outside.
If the ball was thrown to the back pylon at pic 5, Randle's head is turned in pic 6 to where he could have adjusted and made a play if the ball was catchable.
This play could have had a decent chance at a touchdown, but it definitely could have been a hell of a lot worse.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:41 pm to Boh
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This play could have had a decent chance at a touchdown, but it definitely could have been a hell of a lot worse.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:42 pm to Geaux2002
I think jj played well, i blame the conservative play calling. I understand why they do, it. Victory was alteady secured, blah blah....
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:43 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Dude, are you stupid or blind... every picture shows JJ looking at his receiver!! that why the safety ran over there.... a quick pump that direction would probly gave him an opportunity to the opposite side of the field..
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:44 pm to Boh
I gotta say, this has been a nice disussion about football for once. Granted everyone that disagrees with me is wrong, but a good discussion nonetheless.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:46 pm to Boh
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If the ball was thrown to the back pylon at pic 5, Randle's head is adjusted in pic 6 to where he could have adjusted and made a play if the ball was catchable.
If JJ throws that ball to the back pylon it falls incomplete anyway. RR was running a comeback route.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:46 pm to Boh
Its funny how people complain. If its taking too much sacks, throwing picks, now bitching about throwing the ball away. Seriously, thats how you limit the other 2way that people have complained about fro 3 years.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:47 pm to lake chuck fan
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Dude, are you stupid or blind... every picture shows JJ looking at his receiver!! that why the safety ran over there.... a quick pump that direction would probly gave him an opportunity to the opposite side of the field..
Brilliant!
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:48 pm to LSUPHILLY72
I haven't read this whole thread, and I'm sure someone has pointed it out, but to me, in pic 4 it looks like Jefferson should have thrown it to the sideline anticipating a RR cut.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:48 pm to lake chuck fan
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Dude, are you stupid or blind
quote:
a quick pump that direction would probly gave him an opportunity to the opposite side of the field
Im going to let you sit and think about this for a second...then Im going to hit you with a crap load of truth
there was only one receiver and it was Reuban randle.....there was no option on the other side...
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:49 pm to junkfunky
Is this really a 9 page thread discussing 1 insignificant play and whether it was a good decision or not?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:50 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Given that JJ came in and looked a sharp as he did after his time away and given the fact that those who have incessantly bashed the guy for two years now have acted as if his mere presence in Tiger stadium would likely cause the structure to collapse on itself, I'd say his play was surprisingly good and a likely indicator that he TOO has improved under Krags and the new system.
You realize I have stated this same fact multiple times in this thread, right? I agreed with that, and have since the game. I am simply not going to claim how amazing JJ was for throwing the ball away there. Smart play to not get anything negative out of the call, and nothing more. He's looked good on his other throws, but it's just that 4 passes. I am not going to say anything either way off such a small sample.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:53 pm to LSUPHILLY72
I'm not going to read this entire thread. But, the OP is wrong. There was no play-action on that play -- meaning, NO reason for the safety to bite and try to take away the run. JJ held on to the ball too long. That play is meant to be a fade into the back corner of the EZ. JJ should have lofted the ball into the back corner at Photo #3. It is a timing route... RR is supposed to gain outside position (which he has) and JJ is supposed place it where RR is the only hands that can touch it.
JJ hesitated, and the play feel apart.
My response here is to not beat up on JJ. I think LSU would be 6 - 0 right now even if Shady's event did not happen. LSU can win with either QB.
My response here is to point out that OP has the incorrect analysis of the play.
JJ hesitated, and the play feel apart.
My response here is to not beat up on JJ. I think LSU would be 6 - 0 right now even if Shady's event did not happen. LSU can win with either QB.
My response here is to point out that OP has the incorrect analysis of the play.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:53 pm to Minden tiger
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Terrible play call, which i think can be attributed to JJ being in and not Lee. I guarantee you we release a back and a TE with Lee in the game because he can throw guys open and make snap decisions..With JJ we clearly dumbed it down so there was no room for error. Bash if you want but its a message board and this is my opinion
We haven't releases a fricking back or TE all year. What the frick have you been watching? Btw, the entire offense has been "dumbed down", yes, even for Lee. When he's in we call it "simplified" though.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:54 pm to DBG
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Is this really a 9 page thread discussing 1 insignificant play and whether it was a good decision or not?
This ain't the soccer board, brah.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:54 pm to Minden tiger
it was either a bad play call, or someone didn't do what they were supposed to do. I coached pee wee football for 10 years and running one guy into the endzone was something we would do and "everybody else block." I can't see this working without some kind of ulterior plan such as all of the above mentioned in this thread, I haven't read EVERY pst but I would say fade, play action, flood, release the TE or RB either direction, sprint out, back shoulder out/curl, something beside, "you go in the endzone and get open, y'all block, and I'll throw it to him. Ready, break!"
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