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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:55 pm to TxHillsTiger
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:55 pm to TxHillsTiger
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I'm not going to read this entire thread. But, the OP is wrong. There was no play-action on that play -- meaning, NO reason for the safety to bite and try to take away the run. JJ held on to the ball too long. That play is meant to be a fade into the back corner of the EZ. JJ should have lofted the ball into the back corner at Photo #3. It is a timing route... RR is supposed to gain outside position (which he has) and JJ is supposed place it where RR is the only hands that can touch it.
JJ hesitated, and the play feel apart.
My response here is to not beat up on JJ. I think LSU would be 6 - 0 right now even if Shady's event did not happen. LSU can win with either QB.
My response here is to point out that OP has the incorrect analysis of the play.
Then explain why RR is running to the front pylon and JJ isn't scrambling or anything? If it was a fade RR's head would've been looking up in pic 3. And I just realized I'm participating in one of the DUMBEST threads ever on TD.
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:55 pm to inebr8ted tiger
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I gotta say, this has been a nice disussion about football for once. Granted everyone that disagrees with me is wrong, but a good discussion nonetheless.
We agree to agree.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:57 pm to tjohn deaux
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it was either a bad play call, or someone didn't do what they were supposed to do. I coached pee wee football for 10 years and running one guy into the endzone was something we would do and "everybody else block." I can't see this working without some kind of ulterior plan such as all of the above mentioned in this thread, I haven't read EVERY pst but I would say fade, play action, flood, release the TE or RB either direction, sprint out, back shoulder out/curl, something beside, "you go in the endzone and get open, y'all block, and I'll throw it to him. Ready, break!"
Same thing as coaching the #1 team in college football if you really think about it.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:57 pm to Minden tiger
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Terrible play call, which i think can be attributed to JJ being in and not Lee. I guarantee you we release a back and a TE with Lee in the game because he can throw guys open and make snap decisions..With JJ we clearly dumbed it down so there was no room for error.
Your opinion is stupid. If this was true then they would've have done all of what you just said. And how the hell is it a terrible play call when UF is getting blown out. Also, JL throws to his first target almost always. So please leave your stupidity at the door.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:59 pm to Tigerdew
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And I just realized I'm participating in one of the DUMBEST threads ever on TD.
Were you in a coma in late August and early September?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:00 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Compare that JL's throw last year and ball was well on it's way from Lee with just as tight coverage.
RR's had separation at his cut. JJ, as always holds the ball too long and doesn't trust what he's coached.
RR's had separation at his cut. JJ, as always holds the ball too long and doesn't trust what he's coached.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:01 pm to jrodLSUke
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Were you in a coma in late August and early September?
No, I just didn't participate in any of that shite.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:01 pm to Tigerdew
yeah of course
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:02 pm to JohnnyU
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Compare that JL's throw last year and ball was well on it's way from Lee with just as tight coverage.
RR's had separation at his cut. JJ, as always holds the ball too long and doesn't trust what he's coached.
Read the whole thread. It wasn't a fricking fade for the millionth time.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:02 pm to rutiger
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you are so full of shite its not even funny. thanks for letting us know you have no clue
Dude, look in the mirror and speak this to yourself
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:02 pm to JohnnyU
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JJ, as always holds the ball too long and doesn't trust what he's coached.
STFU. If that was the case he wouldn't have went 3/4 with a jump pass td. You people are freaking ridiculous. Quit bashing him likee he doesn't know what he's doing as if you play on the team. Be happy our qb's are doing well.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:03 pm to JohnnyU
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Compare that JL's throw last year and ball was well on it's way from Lee with just as tight coverage.
RR's had separation at his cut. JJ, as always holds the ball too long and doesn't trust what he's coached.
It's a split second decision and timing thing. JJ hadn't played in a month prior to last week and I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. The timing was off or the route was wrong.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:04 pm to tjohn deaux
Our fanbase has some kind of sickness. How can we have several of these post every fcking day about which QB has the bigger pecker. Just enjoy the season.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:04 pm to 13SaintTiger
I totally give up on people who still argue that was a fade.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:08 pm to Putty
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we left in 9 to block.
Yeah, and JJ makes 10. Not sure how Randle is supposed to get open on that play unless Florida blitzes everyone. I'd much rather he throw it away then into double coverage. Randle is good, but he's not Megatron.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:09 pm to Tigerdew
quote:No... RR hasn't gotten to his cut point in pic 3, but the ball should have been released, flying into the air at that point. The play is designed so that when RR makes his cut, he looks up and the ball should already be on his outside shoulder. It wasn't there, so RR tried to move into open space - which was limited because he was in the back corner of the end zone. Only place to run was forward pylon.
If it was a fade RR's head would've been looking up in pic 3
Again - I'm not bashing JJ. I think the timing was off, that's all. That is to be expected. Plays break down some times. QB's and Receivers are not on the same page sometimes. Yes, it even happens when JL is in there.
quote:Actually... aside from a few people wanting to bash a player for a team which they are supposed fans... this has been a fairly good thread. We are football fans... and to me, this is a good exercise of breaking down game film.
DUMBEST threads ever on TD
I still believe the fact that there was no play action on that play means that it was a timing route. If it was an in/out read by RR, then they would've faked the hand off to the running back to see if the safety bites. Since there was no play action, the only logical conclusion is to call it a timing route into the back corner of the EZ. The ball should've been on RR when he made his cut... or at the least, been on a downward trajectory. It should not have still been in JJ's hand.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:12 pm to TxHillsTiger
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:12 pm to 13SaintTiger
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You people are freaking ridiculous. Quit bashing him
This.
I'm all for analyzing the play. But there is no need to bash JJ on this play. The guy performed very well.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:15 pm to NOSA
quote:I agree - it wasn't a fade because JJ didn't release the ball at the right time.
I totally give up on people who still argue that was a fade.
If he had, it would've been a fade. The lack of play action suggests that the designed play that was called was intended to be a fade.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:17 pm to TxHillsTiger
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No... RR hasn't gotten to his cut point in pic 3, but the ball should have been released, flying into the air at that point. The play is designed so that when RR makes his cut, he looks up and the ball should already be on his outside shoulder. It wasn't there, so RR tried to move into open space - which was limited because he was in the back corner of the end zone. Only place to run was forward pylon.
Then wtf is RR doing in pic 4, 5 & 6? He certainly isn't looking for the ball. We have the luxury of looking at still shots. This whole sequence took about 3 seconds. RR would've been looking UP for the ball by then. He NEVER looked up.
eta: Actually, if you look at pic 4, RR started to go towards the middle of the field which tells me this was definitely a drive route. UF just did a good job at taking it away.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 4:19 pm
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