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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:58 pm to CantonTiger128
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:58 pm to CantonTiger128
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not a jj hater.
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:58 pm to TruLsu
the route was an out route not a fade.
he didn't throw it to the back corner because again it was an out route not a fade. that's why RR didn't go to the corner because the play wasn't designed to go there.
he threw it away because RR wasn't open, wasnt ever open at any point in the play. there's nothing extraordinary about this one way or the other.
this isn't hard people.
he didn't throw it to the back corner because again it was an out route not a fade. that's why RR didn't go to the corner because the play wasn't designed to go there.
he threw it away because RR wasn't open, wasnt ever open at any point in the play. there's nothing extraordinary about this one way or the other.
this isn't hard people.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:59 pm to CantonTiger128
It was not a fade call. If it was a fade all the way, then jefferson steps back and lobs it to the back of the endzone without reading anything. This was clearly an option route (inside/outside) for Randle, hence the hesitation by Jefferson.
I'm not JJs biggest fan but he played this one correctly and didn't force it. I hate the call personally only having one guy in the route but JJ did all he could with the call
I'm not JJs biggest fan but he played this one correctly and didn't force it. I hate the call personally only having one guy in the route but JJ did all he could with the call
Posted on 10/11/11 at 2:59 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Lee Hater.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:00 pm to junkfunky
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Yep, that guy. (ie. no one would have been any where near the ball)
ummmm, since he cuts underneath the route, and if the ball went to the corner, he WOULDN'T be the closest to the ball. Not even top 2.
Keep trying though....
You might guess right eventually, or you could just go look at the stills provided by the OP.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:00 pm to TruLsu
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so the safety who was on the inside and even with RR would have gotten past him and to the corner before RR could make a play?
RR and the cb were flattening out. The safety was moving to that side of the field and watching the qb. If RR and the cb cut out and the safety sees the ball thrown 6-7 yards past them do you think he is gonna go after the ball or the receiver?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:00 pm to CantonTiger128
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not a jj hater. The pass would have been a TD if thrown on time, rr got past the defender. Ball thrown to sidelines, safety adjusts to ball, INT made. Safety returns the ball 90 yards; RR runs him down from behind; strips the ball; runs back the other way; laterals to Ware at the 5 yard line. TD. That simple.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:01 pm to inebr8ted tiger
I'd be interested to see what the safety did in the play last year against Florida when J. Lee threw the TD. If I recall he too played similar to what #9 did.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:02 pm to junkfunky
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safety sees the ball thrown 6-7 yards past them do you think he is gonna go after the ball or the receiver?
safety has his back turned to JJ.
Damn, still got nothing right. Go look at the stills before you comment again, this is getting ridiculous.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:02 pm to CptBengal
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ummmm, since he cuts underneath the route, and if the ball went to the corner, he WOULDN'T be the closest to the ball. Not even top 2.
Keep trying though....
You might guess right eventually, or you could just go look at the stills provided by the OP.
You're still lacking those reading comprehension skills. My post was in reference to someone claiming JJ should have thrown the fade before RR made his cut, which was an out route and not a fade.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:03 pm to CptBengal
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safety has his back turned to JJ.
Damn, still got nothing right. Go look at the stills before you comment again, this is getting ridiculous.
reading comprehension
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:03 pm to junkfunky
quote:safety has back to the ball with his weight shifted, no way he beats anybody to the back corner
RR and the cb were flattening out. The safety was moving to that side of the field and watching the qb. If RR and the cb cut out and the safety sees the ball thrown 6-7 yards past them do you think he is gonna go after the ball or the receiver?
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:04 pm to junkfunky
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My post was in reference to someone claiming JJ should have thrown the fade before RR made his cut,
you claimed the safety would have been the closest to the ball IF JJ threw a fade....that was plain wrong dude, sorry.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:04 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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By LSU leaving 9 guys in to block on a 3 step drop tells me that they were expecting Florida to bring the safety on a blitz (to help with the run).
Florida is obviously expecting run because they have 10 players 4 yards from the line of scrimmage with 9 guys "in the box".
If #9 moves up to help with the run, RR would go to where he came from. In the close up picture you can see him breaking to the inside. If #9 is not there he keeps going. Instead, he breaks to the out (not fade) to create seperation from the DB.
#9 anticipated this and undercut the route.
I do think play action would have helped...but that will happen against Bama.
OK, thanks.
The one outstanding question I have relates to the assumption that Randle had an option to run an inside route or an out. In the third frame of your pictorial, just after the snap, presumably before he could have read the safety, Randle breaks to the outside of the corner covering him (outside release). You see that the corner is between Randle and the QB. It doesn't seem that the corner lined up with inside leverage or forced Randle to the outside. Rather, it appears to me that Randle intentionally chose to go to the outside of the CB. If he were running an option route where he could go inside, wouldn't Randle have attempted to get inside of the CB off the snap?
Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Randle broke to the outside of the CB on the snap because this was a called out route. If that is true, couldn't it be a timing route where JJ was supposed to put the ball in the air well before the inside safety arrived to help, so that it reach Randle as he made his out cut? That doesn't seem too absurd to me.
I'm just speculating, but Randle's body position gives me pause.
In any event, I'm glad that JJ threw it away rather than forcing it in once the safety arrived.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:05 pm to WacoTiger
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut. If he had made the throw before the cut, like on a fade route, RR would have been the only player that could have caught the ball. As is typical, JJ can't make the decision to throw until RR makes his cut; by then, it is too late.
^This. Just sayin'
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:05 pm to junkfunky
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reading comprehension
L O L
Saying the safety, with his back turned to the qb and weight shifted inside is going to somehow magically read a fade pass and intercept it in the endzone is retarded.
That was your comment...if you mean something else, say something else.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:05 pm to Geaux2002
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While there may be some doing that, the ones coming to his defense and claiming this shows great improvement are as much to blame. For better or worse, you are going to have people who hate JJ and people who love him on this board.
From the beginning this is what many of you have failed to grasp. Even those of us who have dutifully defended JJ have NEVER said we loved him as a QB. Not once. It makes a wonderful straw man to knock the shite out of, I agree...but our defense of the guy was never based on his being the best thing since sliced bread.
Given that JJ came in and looked a sharp as he did after his time away and given the fact that those who have incessantly bashed the guy for two years now have acted as if his mere presence in Tiger stadium would likely cause the structure to collapse on itself, I'd say his play was surprisingly good and a likely indicator that he TOO has improved under Krags and the new system.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:06 pm to CptBengal
quote:this
Saying the safety, with his back turned to the qb and weight shifted inside is going to somehow magically read a fade pass and intercept it in the endzone is retarded. That was your comment...if you mean something else, say something else.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:08 pm to LSUPHILLY72
RR was open on the break if he would have thrown the ball to the sideline.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:09 pm to CptBengal
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Saying the safety, with his back turned to the qb and weight shifted inside is going to somehow magically read a fade pass and intercept it in the endzone is retarded.
Claiming that the ball should have been thrown at or just after pic 2 while the safety is staring at JJ is equally so.
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