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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Randle ran a 10 yard out. Run 10 yards straight upfield then cut. The cut on an out route is sharp and hard. It's a 90° cut.
Compare that JL's throw last year and ball was well on it's way from Lee with just as tight coverage.
RR's had separation at his cut. JJ, as always holds the ball too long and doesn't trust what he's coached.
Toliver ran a fade. Run about a yard and then fade to the outside. The cut on a fade is soft and upfield. It's a 45° cut from downfield.
The timing on the two passes are different. An out requires a pass that is thrown hard. A fade requires a pass that is lofted. The ball travels slower on a fade; thus, it takes longer to get to the receiver on a fade. Hence, a fade is thrown earlier than an out route.
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:19 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:
Be happy our qb's are doing well.
Who said I was unhappy? I'm thrilled with the season, how the team has performed and handled adversity.
I made an observation about the OP's assertion, about which I feel he is incorrect. Me pointing out that JJ holds on to the ball too long is just as valid a critique as is said when folks observe Lee throws off his back foot.
Try to be civil....(otherwise STFU yourself)
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:19 pm to TxHillsTiger
Either the timing was bad or the route was wrong. Either way, JJ hasn't been with the team for a month. Don't see any reason to over analyze the throw. The ball should have been thrown before the cut, but something was wrong. I suspect it was timing or the route.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:20 pm to TxHillsTiger
Fade or not, the ball should have been in the air in pic 5.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:21 pm to TxHillsTiger
quote:Or a split second before the cut on an out route.
The ball should've been on RR when he made his cut.
Randle makes his cut five yards into the endzone. A pass at pic 3 would have been way too soon for an out route.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:22 pm to AlxTgr
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Fade or not, the ball should have been in the air in pic 5.
And it gets picked.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:23 pm to TxHillsTiger
quote:It wasn't a fade because Randle did not run a fade.
I agree - it wasn't a fade because JJ didn't release the ball at the right time.
If he had, it would've been a fade. The lack of play action suggests that the designed play that was called was intended to be a fade.
Randle ran straight ahead for 10 yards, five yards into the endzone. Then he cut hard to the outside.
That is not a fade route. There was no fade at all in Randle's route.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:24 pm to Tigerdew
It's a shame Jarrett didn't didn't get down inside the one...the QB sneek would have been a given!!!
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:24 pm to Tigerdew
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And it gets picked.
Not if it's thrown right. I wouldn't expect JJ to make that throw seeing he is still rusty. It would have had to have been a perfect pass.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:24 pm to Tigerdew
quote:RR catching it is not a pick. There would have been a 0.0% chance of any Florida player getting close to the ball. RR had position.
And it gets picked.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:25 pm to just me
quote:
It wasn't a fade because Randle did not run a fade.
Randle ran straight ahead for 10 yards, five yards into the endzone. Then he cut hard to the outside.
That is not a fade route. There was no fade at all in Randle's route.
He looks like he actually tried to drive the DB inside first. The safety made a helluva read and took the comeback route away. JJ made a good decision here.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:26 pm to just me
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Randle ran a 10 yard out.
You can throw a fade from almost anywhere so the LOS dictates how far the receiver has to run. We were 3 or 4 yards farther out this year than last year. He had to run deeper.
It was a fade. Call it What you want the same principle of timing applies.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:27 pm to Tigerdew
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The safety made a helluva read and took the comeback route away. JJ made a good decision here.
The safety had no chance of making a play on the ball. The decision? Yeah, it was a good one once the opportunity to throw it right was gone.Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:28 pm to AlxTgr
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RR catching it is not a pick. There would have been a 0.0% chance of any Florida player getting close to the ball. RR had position.
Really??
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:29 pm to AlxTgr
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he safety had no chance of making a play on the ball. The decision? Yeah, it was a good one once the opportunity to throw it right was gone.
Look at the pic above. 9 is right there.
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:29 pm to WacoTiger
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The problem is that JJ waited to make the throw before RR made his cut. If he had made the throw before the cut, like on a fade route, RR would have been the only player that could have caught the ball. As is typical, JJ can't make the decision to throw until RR makes his cut; by then, it is too late.
+1
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I wouldn't expect JJ to make that throw seeing he is still rusty
If he is still rusty, then he shouldn't have been in the game to attempt it. Take your drop, throw it on time to the spot at the boundary where only RR could catch it or it falls out of bounds. Not easy certainly, but he is QB in there to make that play
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:32 pm to Tigerdew
Seriously????
An 12 page thread on a frickin incomplete pass in a blowout win?!!!
The Rant has outdone itself
Wheres the 12 page thread on any of JL incompletions? or the jump pass? or JL's awesome throws to RR? or JJ's completed pass to RS?
An 12 page thread on a frickin incomplete pass in a blowout win?!!!
The Rant has outdone itself
Wheres the 12 page thread on any of JL incompletions? or the jump pass? or JL's awesome throws to RR? or JJ's completed pass to RS?
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:32 pm to Tigerdew
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He looks like he actually tried to drive the DB inside first. The safety made a helluva read and took the comeback route away. JJ made a good decision here.
What read???? to cover the only reciever on the play
Posted on 10/11/11 at 4:33 pm to Tigerdew
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He looks like he actually tried to drive the DB inside first.
he was getting leverage on the corner to create separation after his cut, he wasn't trying to get inside.
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