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re: Jefferson's Smart Decision to throw the ball away (with Pictures)

Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:11 pm to
Posted by TruLsu
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:11 pm to
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Claiming that the ball should have been thrown at or just after pic 2 while the safety is staring at JJ is equally so.
just saying on any fade route in college or NFL the ball is thrown anyway, the play is designed where the ball is out so fast the safety can't react to it.
Posted by junkfunky
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:14 pm to
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just saying on any fade route in college or NFL the ball is thrown anyway, the play is designed where the ball is out so fast the safety can't react to it.


I totally agree. I was responding to someone saying he should have thrown the fade around pic#2-3 even though RR ran an out route.
Posted by TruLsu
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:16 pm to
He should have been releasing the ball in pic 3
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:16 pm to
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just saying on any fade route in college or NFL the ball is thrown anyway, the play is designed where the ball is out so fast the safety can't react to it.



you mean like this
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:18 pm to
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just saying on any fade route in college or NFL the ball is thrown anyway


For the last time........the route was not a fade.....repeat it with me....the route was not a fade the route was not a fade the route was not a fade.....
Posted by TruLsu
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:18 pm to
If you mean the first pass shown? Yes. Throw it fast and to where only the wr can get it
Posted by just me
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:19 pm to
Terrence Toliver ran fade route from the three yard line. Toliver is halfway between the hashes and the sideline. Toliver takes one step forward and then heads on a slow diagonal. There is no option, in or out. There is no read. The throw is made before Toliver crosses the goal line, three yards downfield from the line of scrimmage.

Rueben Randle ran an in/out option from the six yard line. The inside route is taken away so Randle drives hard straight ahead for 10 yards, halfway into the endzone. THEN he cuts on a 90° angle to the outside.


Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:20 pm to
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He should have been releasing the ball in pic 3


That is definitely a claim that can be made, but not throwing a fade on a wr-read in/out route.
Posted by BASCTiger
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:20 pm to
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He hesitated. Now, it was the right decision, but that throw is a quick step drop.


yes but if you have the time you have time to wait for a play to develop. JJ actually does this fairly well. In this case, great coverage by Florida defense.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:21 pm to
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Doh. Sorry.


Yeah, we had so many blockers, JJ could have rolled around in them.
Posted by TruLsu
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:22 pm to
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For the last time........the route was not a fade.....repeat it with me....the route was not a fade the route was not a fade the route was not a fade.....
either way if it was or wasn't, ball was not thrown on time. To me looks like a fade, JJ didn't like the look and held on to it, RR breaks off route, thrown out of bounds. If it was a fade and JJ doesn't throw it on time RR is not going to run to the back of the end zone and wait. He will try to do something to get open. He runs to the open spot which was the sideline and it's an incomplete pass
Posted by NorthTiger
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:22 pm to
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I too had to explain this to the guy sitting next to me in the stands. He was complaining and I told him to watch the safety on the replay screen and that he read the play.


I didn't see that the safety read the play until looking at this sequence of photos. As soon as JJ takes the snap he looks straight at RR. How many times have we all seen Drew Brees look off a receiver. If JJ takes the snap and immediately looks to his right what are the chances that he at least momentarily freezes the safety. Instead, the safety makes an immediate move toward RR. As the sequence of photos progress it is the safety who is the only one in a position to make a play. The CB is so turned around he is never in a position. If anything, this photo sequence shows me that JJ executed this play poorly by not looking the safety off.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:25 pm to
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If JJ takes the snap and immediately looks to his right what are the chances that he at least momentarily freezes the safety


That would depend on the IQ of the safety.
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:25 pm to
Only on the rant could a topic about one play involving a single receiver route go to 8 pages.

Reminds me of last year when someone claimed that Jarrett Lee's handoffs looked cleaner and crisper than Jordan Jefferson's.
This post was edited on 10/11/11 at 3:26 pm
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:27 pm to
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That would depend on the IQ of the safety



Considering if JJ looked to the right to where there was not even a receiver running a route like North Tiger wants him to Id be willing to bet the safetys IQ is higher than North Tiger's
Posted by omegaman66
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:27 pm to
Uggghhh.... why is the one insignificant play being talked about as if it changed the game. I remember that play and JJ could have made a quick fast throw if his timing was great and it could of scored. But he didn't pull the trigger.

So, it would have had to of been a very good pass in a very tight time window. He didn't make it in time and then made the right decision afterwards to throw it away.

Hesitation is better than squandering a scoring opportunity when you are well ahead on the scoreboard.

I don't see what the big deal is. JJ didn't make a super stellar play. And you point is?
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:27 pm to
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Considering if JJ looked to the right to where there was not even a receiver running a route like North Tiger wants him to Id be willing to bet the safetys IQ is higher than North Tiger's


I was trying to be nice.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:28 pm to
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I don't see what the big deal is. JJ didn't make a super stellar play. And you point is?



I don't see what the point is either, but then again why don't you ask the OP in reference to his post and thread title.
Posted by just me
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:29 pm to
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you mean like this
There's no way Jefferson could ever make that pass.
Posted by TruLsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 10/11/11 at 3:29 pm to
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Uggghhh.... why is the one insignificant play being talked about as if it changed the game. I remember that play and JJ could have made a quick fast throw if his timing was great and it could of scored. But he didn't pull the trigger. So, it would have had to of been a very good pass in a very tight time window. He didn't make it in time and then made the right decision afterwards to throw it away. Hesitation is better than squandering a scoring opportunity when you are well ahead on the scoreboard. I don't see what the big deal is. JJ didn't make a super stellar play. And you point is?
this was pretty much what I tried to say earlier. He didn't throw it in time and made the right decision afterward to throw it away.
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