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Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:26 pm to thejudge
True. He’s shown us who and what he is. We’ve seen the ceiling of the kid. Let it go. This is a throw away season with too many issues to solve year one. The coaches are not scheming to win now and the difference making players here are too few to matter.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:33 pm to LSUStar
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He’s a fourth year STARTER. What’s he afraid of? Totally absurd.
Imagine coming from a pass happy conference and he's afraid to throw it?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 4:45 pm to lsufb1912
quote:how's that worse than what he did. At least he would be making the attempt. You get a lot less complaining if hes at least trying. And its not just this play. I'm sure there were multiple like this in the game. Hell the 3rd and 1 that he tucked and BK was livid because hes not giving the receivers a shot.
What if he threw it, but missed him by 10 yds
The truth is that everyone can see that we have enough talent to compete in games like this if not win them. But it sucks when the guy running things on the field isn't giving our outstanding athletes the chance to make the big plays.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How many QBs do you know can thread a rope 35 yards in the air rolling across their body?
Right. Joe Montana could never make that play. He excelled because of the offense he was in. We either need to design the offense for our QB or get a QB who fits the offensive style better.
I think we have that but he is a true freshman. And I think we also have one coming in next year in Collins. Nuss has the arm but he is the flip side of the coin from Daniels, too high risk.
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:15 pm to Alt26
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While I don't disagree, why does it seem like almost every route LSU runs must be 15 - 20 yards downfield? In the picture that is a long throw with a second safety back. While it looks open on a still-shot, whose to say that safety couldn't retreat back and get into the route?
We don’t always run deep routes, but damn- we have the guys to take the top off and to challenge 1 on 1 coverage. And the OL wasn’t terrible in pass pro in a lot of these video breakdowns, either. If Daniels reads the safety and picks the right route, you have either Boutte or Nabors on a CB in a struggling secondary. Throw it up and make that guy sweat.
Look at how many guys UT had 10 yards or less from the ball on every play. Even when they played a few yard off the WRs, they were still crowding short lanes and set up to prevent YAC yards. They were begging us to throw short and daring us to go long.
UT KNEW Daniels wouldn’t challenge them deep and every team we play will just keep doing that until he lets loose of a few. At some point, I really wish Denbrock or Kelly would just tell him to throw one of two deep routes on a play unless someone comes free up the middle. Just do it. We’re not giving you a choice. If it gets picked, so be it. If he won’t choose to do it, take the choice away from him a couple of times in hopes that it will shake something loose in him, because he used to take these kinds of shots in his first season at ASU.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:29 pm to BayouCowboy
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My guess is the point is to max protect so we can run deep routes, but if Daniels won't throw, what's the point?
We have to generate some kind of downfield passing. Our last two opponents have boxed us in and made the short and intermediate throws harder and taken away YAC yards. We are already struggling to run the ball and jet sweeps and screens aren’t going to be that effective vs 11 guys 10 yards or less from the LOS. The threat to at least attempt some deeper passes has to be there to create some additional space.
The play we are talking about should have generated a fairly low risk opportunity for a deep shot. My theory is that Daniels is letting these balls fly in practice, but continues to clam up on when it’s go time in-game. There’s no way to know that for sure, but we do know the staff has already cut down the playbook to make things easier for Daniels, but continue to think he can run these particular plays.
Hell, it’s not even like Daniels has always been this way, either. He was taking deep shots right and left during his freshman season. This is a last season and this season issue with him.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 5:36 pm to lsufb1912
If you’re getting tired of it it’s not just one play is it?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:08 pm to Alt26
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While I don't disagree, why does it seem like almost every route LSU runs must be 15 - 20 yards downfield?
Because that’s what YOU want to see. The truth is very different, but you have a narrative, and you are not going to notice facts that contravene it.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:35 pm to Madking
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One of Montana’s most famous throws was on a play just like that in Super Bowl 24.
Was it? This is the statement I was responding to.
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How many QBs do you know can thread a rope 35 yards in the air rolling across their body?
I don't see Montana rolling across his body there, that was basically a textbook pocket pass with a set base to throw from. It was a thing of beauty.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:37 pm to BayouCowboy
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This I agree with. Also we have 7 blocking 4. I can see the TE or RB chipping and releasing, but keeping both in to block left 3 WRs vs 5 DBs and 2 LBs spying Daniels.
The only thing I think is they must be very scared of the O line not holding up. Why else would you max protect and not give the QB an outlet. Maybe JD's legs are the outlet, but the way this offense is designed is not great.
It seems like Denbrook and Kelly have been shitting the bed on offensive play design. They are trying to fit JD into their system instead of designing around what JD does best.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:39 pm to Gings5
He simply doesn’t know how to play the position. Was only rated highly based on his athletic upside.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:44 pm to PoppaD
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The only thing I think is they must be very scared of the O line not holding up. Why else would you max protect and not give the QB an outlet. Maybe JD's legs are the outlet, but the way this offense is designed is not great.
It seems like Denbrook and Kelly have been shitting the bed on offensive play design. They are trying to fit JD into their system instead of designing around what JD does best.
Because Daniels holds the ball too long and consistently runs the wrong way in the pocket.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:47 pm to LSUintheNW
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He’s a fourth year STARTER. What’s he afraid of? Totally absurd.
Imagine coming from a pass happy conference and he's afraid to throw it?
Call it what you will, scared, gun shy or whatever. But the fact is JD has avoided throwing into tight windows.
Why are people acting surprised. The scouting report on JD before he got here is he is inaccurate. His inaccuracy was talked about all summer. Now we are seeing in games that he doesn't trust himself to let the ball fly.
And the scouting report on LSU was that WR was the strength of the team. Fans are now very frustrated that the QB is unable or unwilling to take shots to the strength of the team.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 6:51 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:55 pm to mdomingue
I see what you’re responding to but the point is he didn’t need to roll, the play was there and even though he did roll there was no pressure so he could have reset and made the throw anyway. The play side route combo is exactly the same, the safety bit on the same under route only Daniels doesn’t know how to play QB.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:57 pm to PoppaD
While I agree with some of your assessment, if JD isn't capable of throwing that distance or making that throw, there's no way he "gives LSU the best chance at winning".
Also, even if he makes the throw and slightly overthrows the receiver, it's still a positive. You can trust that the defense will think a little more about getting beat deep. It places a little more hesitation in their mind and keeps the safeties back more.
However, the defense continued to cheat safeties up with no fear of being beat deep because nothing has shown that JD is even willing to take those shots. It takes the pressure off the D when he either doesn't take those shots OR doesn't even appear to see the WR running open. Outside of a blown coverage, that's as wide-open as a WR can get. That in a microcosm is JD's problem at the QB position. He's trying to be a game-manager and nothing more. It's as if he believes that with decent yards and a higher than norm completion percentage, he's in better position to be drafted. I honestly think he's playing more for himself (improving his draft stock) than he is trying to win for the team. He's only attempting "safe" throws.
Also, even if he makes the throw and slightly overthrows the receiver, it's still a positive. You can trust that the defense will think a little more about getting beat deep. It places a little more hesitation in their mind and keeps the safeties back more.
However, the defense continued to cheat safeties up with no fear of being beat deep because nothing has shown that JD is even willing to take those shots. It takes the pressure off the D when he either doesn't take those shots OR doesn't even appear to see the WR running open. Outside of a blown coverage, that's as wide-open as a WR can get. That in a microcosm is JD's problem at the QB position. He's trying to be a game-manager and nothing more. It's as if he believes that with decent yards and a higher than norm completion percentage, he's in better position to be drafted. I honestly think he's playing more for himself (improving his draft stock) than he is trying to win for the team. He's only attempting "safe" throws.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:57 pm to thejudge
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If you use the espn app you can select the sky cam feed. It'll piss you off watching from behind the qb. People running pretty open most of the time. I know it's different if people aren't trying to demolish you but there are opportunities.
This is why it’s mostly on the QB and not the OC.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:09 pm to Gings5
Agree!! I’m tired of hearing he hasn’t thrown a INT this season. Halfway through the season that’s a issue
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:44 pm to Madking
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The play side route combo is exactly the same,
No it's not
The 49ers play wasn't a crossing route. One route was a slant and the other was a deep post.
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he safety bit on the same under route
The Safety from UTenn didn't bite on anything. He was in the deep middle lined up with Daniels, effectively spying him. He only broke when Daniel's ran
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