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re: Jayden Daniels - Accuracy
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:12 am to Brobocop
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:12 am to Brobocop
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In 2021, Daniels completion percentage was 65.4%
In the last 30 years at LSU, this would have been the 3rd highest of any quarterback in a single season. Only behind Joe Burrow and Jamarcus Russell (two first overall picks).
That is a noteworthy stat, but if you watch the throws Daniels was asked to make at ASU, you'd expect his completion percentage to be high.
Most of his passes are quick single reads close to the line of scrimmage. He does throw a nice deep ball, I'll give him that, but outside of that, I don't see any passes that wow me.
LSU is running the same offense Denbrock developed at Cincinnati. Go watch the tape. Denbrock wants a running threat at QB. That's why Daniels will be the guy.
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Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:37 am to Brobocop
Fans gonna be fans the coaches know wassup
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:45 am to Brobocop
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The kid still had 300 attempts. Idc what kind of passes they are. Still impressive.
Hopefully he can make the jump from Pac12 defenses to SEC.
They definitely aren't the same.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 9:47 am to Brobocop
I burned some tape on him when he first signed, and was not impressed with his overall ball placement. I think they can probably scheme him j to some east throws but he’s not a guy that will manipulate tight windows
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:06 am to skullhawk
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Denbrock wants a running threat at QB.
Both Daniels and Nuss are mobile and can run.
Its the experience factor.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:11 am to moneyg
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Remember, we have gamebreakers at WR. Our best path to success is to ride those guys. We probably don't need to start a guy who plays too conservatively.
We just need to get them the ball in space. If he can hit a slant, a crossing route, a screen and an occasional deep ball well have a LOT of success
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:22 am to Brobocop
I’m all the way in on every LSU player that is chosen by BK to be the starter at any position.
BK is a proven head coach with way more knowledge of the game and the players on this team than me or the other fans.
It would be pretty stupid and grandiose of me too think that I know who should start instead of the players that BK has chosen after extensive evaluation.
No coach is going to be 100% correct about who will ultimately perform the best on the field, but I’m also not going to act like I knew better and say I told you so if any starter struggles and ends up losing the starting role down the road. That’s all just a normal part of the game.
BK is a proven head coach with way more knowledge of the game and the players on this team than me or the other fans.
It would be pretty stupid and grandiose of me too think that I know who should start instead of the players that BK has chosen after extensive evaluation.
No coach is going to be 100% correct about who will ultimately perform the best on the field, but I’m also not going to act like I knew better and say I told you so if any starter struggles and ends up losing the starting role down the road. That’s all just a normal part of the game.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:37 am to Lester Earl
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I burned some tape on him when he first signed, and was not impressed with his overall ball placement. I think they can probably scheme him j to some east throws but he’s not a guy that will manipulate tight windows
His accuracy was quite good on throws in the 0-10 yard range. According to PFF last year he hit almost 80% of his throws from 0-10 yards (meaning beyond LOS but within 10 yards of LOS). 84 for 107, 78.5%. Shows he can hit the quick rhythm passes pretty well.
He struggled in the 10-20 yard range going 32 for 68, 47.1%. His deep ball was solid going 17 for 41, 41.4%.
As a comparison point, Max Johnson last year:
0-10 yards = 99 for 134, 73.9%
10-20 yards = 55 for 94, 58.5%
20+ yards = 14 for 50, 28.0%
So he was better than Max on the short rhythm passes. Max got him pretty well on the intermediate throws. He did quite a bit better than Max on deep balls. Only throwing 41 deep balls in 13 games seems just dumb for Daniels considering that is clearly one of his best assets passing.
Although we need to factor in the receiving corps differences Daniels was working with at ASU vs. Johnson had here at LSU.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 10:40 am
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:41 am to Brobocop
The 65.4% accuracy was alot of short throws.
His best reciever caught 38 passes and averaged 7.8 per catch
His best reciever caught 38 passes and averaged 7.8 per catch
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:44 am to boweswi05
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The 65.4% accuracy was alot of short throws.
Max Johnson threw 198 of his 342 passes shorter than 10 yards last season. 58% of his total passes.
Daniels threw 178 of his 287 passes shorter than 10 yards last season. 62% of his total passes.
There's a difference there but probably not as much as you would expect.
To compare to tGOAT 2019 Burrow season. Burrow threw 313 of his 514 passes shorter than 10 yards. 61% of his total passes...so if you want to claim Burrow's percentage was also up because he threw a lot of short passes, similar to Daniels, be my guest.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 10:47 am
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:48 am to Fat Bastard
quote:It's because he tucks and runs a lot when passes aren't there or tries to hit check downs a lot. Not a problem with that, but a QB's completion % is going to be a bit inflated when he's not forcing anything. I'd be happier with a lower completion % if it meant higher yards per attempt tbh
something will give. great number 65% completion rate. lots of attempts? ok.......
then we hear he was inaccurate in camp, bad footwork, and MAYBE has issues with reads?
shits not adding up. let's just hope he gets it done in games or else he will be benched and nuss will play.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:50 am to thunderbird1100
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Max Johnson threw 198 of his 342 passes shorter than 10 yards last season. 58% of his total passes.
Max also made better decisions when throwing the ball. That was with no running game and a shitty Oline
Throwing 27TD and 6 INT
as opposed to 10 TD 10 INT from Daniels
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:58 am to boweswi05
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Max also made better decisions when throwing the ball. That was with no running game and a shitty Oline
Throwing 27TD and 6 INT
as opposed to 10 TD 10 INT from Daniels
Max had 19 turnover worthy plays according to PFF. These are plays they deem the player made a play that could have resulted in a turnover -ie if they threw the ball on target but the receiver batted it and the other team intercepted it, that's not a TWP on the QB. But if a QB threw a pass that could have been easily intercepted, doesnt matter if it was or wasnt, thats a turnover worthy play.
Daniels had 9 by comparison
Max was way more turnover prone, he was just way more lucky.
You cant just look at the raw numbes and determine who was more risky with the ball. Max way way way more risky. Just way way more lucky to only end up with 6 INTs. Agains tUCLA alone Max had 4 turnover worthy plays but only ended up with 1 INT. He was completely wreckless with the ball that game...remember the behind the back no look pass?...turnover worthy play.
This post was edited on 8/16/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:12 am to thunderbird1100
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thunderbird1100
Putting in work with the stats. Appreciate the legwork. Interesting data points.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:29 am to thunderbird1100
He’s most comfortable on the quick stuff, pulling the ball back & hitting the quick slant.
Anything that was remotely structured was hit & miss. Saw some ugly balls at feet & over heads. He’s a little inconsistent with his mechanics.
I prefer Nussmeier but understand the offense they can structure around Daniels is appealing.
Anything that was remotely structured was hit & miss. Saw some ugly balls at feet & over heads. He’s a little inconsistent with his mechanics.
I prefer Nussmeier but understand the offense they can structure around Daniels is appealing.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 11:32 am to NorthTxLSU
We just had an Etling sighting in preseason this weekend. Guy still grinding.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:09 pm to Brobocop
We’re gonna kick the shite out of Alabama. Book it!!
Daniels 500 all purpose yards
Daniels 500 all purpose yards
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:12 pm to boweswi05
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Max also made better decisions when throwing the ball. That was with no running game and a shitty Oline Throwing 27TD and 6 INT as opposed to 10 TD 10 INT from Daniels
We going to just ignore the fact that Arizona State’s roster is not even comparable to LSU’s?
Apples to oranges dude. Get your head out of the sand.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:12 pm to thunderbird1100
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He struggled in the 10-20 yard range going 32 for 68, 47.1%.
NO BUENO
that is the numbers i was looking for. intermediate passing game. we know the deep crap is 50/50 basically. not worried about that.
Posted on 8/16/22 at 12:21 pm to Fat Bastard
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that is the numbers i was looking for. intermediate passing game. we know the deep crap is 50/50 basically. not worried about that.
It was 68 total passes...I wouldnt lose my mind over those considering he's a good deep ball thrower and accurate short range passer. Those 2 combined with being a threat on the ground makes him a dangerous QB for defenses. No he hasnt been good hitting the NFL throws, we dont need him to be an NFL QB here though either.
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