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re: It’s quite simple. Our Offensive Line isn’t good.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:05 pm to bencoleman
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:05 pm to bencoleman
critique and 'ripping' are two different things. To declare, with no real explanation is that he's not capable of being an OT, especially based off 1 bad game is 'ripping'. That knee jerk reaction and absolutism by some is 'ripping'.
Regarding your critique:
Regarding your critique:
quote:yep. I think the athleticism is there, his technique is not. 'slow out of stance' is a very common problem for our OL. I'd say all of them, at one time or another. I don't know why, I can't explain why it comes and goes (other than fatigue).
He's slow out his stance and his footwork is bad.
quote:yep. And significantly reduces his apparent strength (leverage). Charles has had problems with it too. But what I've seen Deculus do is 'cheat' with those big first steps, which is obviously common. But he over-compensates by sliding his feet too close together. If he'd take that big step but in a more controlled manner he'd be less inclined to draw those feet in. It's the trailing leg trying to counter momentum that resulted from the big step in the first place. Drill drill drill with a huge dose of core work; if his footwork was better he wouldn't have to do it in the first place. Such things, when they get fixed, is what people refer to as 'coming together' or 'getting a feel for it'. You fix one thing, and the other things fix themselves.
He keeps his feet too close together which keeps his center of gravity too high so he can't move laterally
quote:I do. He's not superb athletically by any means, but the foundation is there. However, since he's not top-tier athletically he needs to be a technique hawk.
I don't think he's athletic enough to play tackle
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:07 pm to DrD
This not about scheming to slow down the rush. Bama was past us through a gap at the snap.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:08 pm to Tiger Ugly
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think accepting the offensive performance of late based solely on lack of talent is rationalizing pure and simple
If defensive players are blowing past your offense before they get out of their stance good you have talent issues. You have to totally ignore the physical limitations of the tackles in order to get past that to blame scheme.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:13 pm to poncho villa
We’re ranked 104th in total offense.
Are you asserting that all 103 teams ahead of us have better Olines?
I don’t disagree that our Oline is bad, but there are coaches out there with much less to work with on the Oline that produce far more yards and points.
And FWIW, our offensive line isn’t shite. I’d argue it’s a Top50 Oline in the country.
Are you asserting that all 103 teams ahead of us have better Olines?
I don’t disagree that our Oline is bad, but there are coaches out there with much less to work with on the Oline that produce far more yards and points.
And FWIW, our offensive line isn’t shite. I’d argue it’s a Top50 Oline in the country.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:27 pm to TheSearch
yes actually, why do you think that Saban is the best college coach of all time? He is the best recruiter and he also can teach his players how to execute extremely well. It isn't some crazy scheme other coaches cant figure out.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:31 pm to bencoleman
quote:BOTH are a problem. I don't know why this board, collectively, has an obsession with pointing at one thing and one thing only.
If defensive players are blowing past your offense before they get out of their stance good you have talent issues. You have to totally ignore the physical limitations of the tackles in order to get past that to blame scheme.
No we shouldn't have 3* DL blowing up our RBs like Clowney did the MI running back.
But when it happens over and over, like UF sending 2 at the OT, undisguised, one inside shoulder one trying to go outside untouched (a technique against the RPO), you CAN tell your OT to block him out and run a jet inside him. You CAN still run the RPO, just go for the A or B gap. You CAN lob one over his head by motioning a TE over and slipping him out.
Yes, when we have deficiencies you are going to lose the battle some. But when it matters, like 3rd and medium on the drive to take the lead, you can assume since you haven't stopped them all game they will keep doing it and use it against them.
The idea that we throw away from an undisguised blitzer, furthermore without moving the pocket, is negligence. Not bad coaching. Negligence.
There's a line somewhere. I'm not sure where it is... but I know it's behind us.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:35 pm to I20goon
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I20goon
I appreciate your well rounded look at the o line by the numbers, but don't bother with bencoleman. I'm pretty sure he's not all there in the head. His brain would likely explode if he admitted Ensminger isn't a great OC.
No matter what facts you give him he skirts around them and spouts off nonsensical bullshite to try and make his point.
ETA: we have an offense in the 100s with top recruiting classes year after year and yet somehow LSU has a talent problem and only a talent problem...even when other teams with lesser talent on offense do more. Go figure!
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:37 pm to bencoleman
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Are you really holding 16 against Steve? Isn't that the year he graciously stepped in after cam was fired? You fricking ingrate.
You need help,boy.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:38 pm to poncho villa
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And we don’t have a RB that can break off runs like Guice and Fournette. Those two spoiled us for 4 years. It’s almost impossible to haves consistent offense when Burrow has about 2 seconds to throw the ball. The flip side to that is max protecting which only gives us 2 receiving threats.
So our OLine has issues run blocking and pass blocking. This isn’t a burrow issue or Ensminger issue. We just need to recruit better o line men.
Stopped reading the thread after your post. It's spot TF on.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:47 pm to Robbytiger
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Our o line wasn’t great that year too....
frick me you guys just make excuse after excuse. Ok then why did Canada do more than E with a similar o line?
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But let me ask you.....Bama only scored 10.....
What was Bama’s problem...10 points, really....? On LSU....geez....Kiffin must suck...
No there are a couple of reasons for that:
1) they were in Tiger Stadium
2) we played amazing defense thanks to Aranda.
no one is questioning the quality of the defense so what's your point? We usually (less this year) play Bama close in TS. The problem is our OC isn't just putting up shitty stats against Bama. He's doing it against any team that has a good defense. If it was just Bama ok whatever he gets a pass but it's not.
So how is E better than Canada when Canada managed to put up better offensive stats in Tuscaloosa than Ensminger can in Tiger Stadium?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:52 pm to Robbytiger
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Our o line wasn’t great that year too....
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You have no idea what you're talking about. The 2016 oline had 3 all sec players and a rimington award finalist at center. They led the country in yards before contact. PFF had lsu ranked as the number 1 oline in cfb.
Educate yourself instead regurgitating bullshite rant stances
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:54 pm to poncho villa
So 103 NCAA teams have better Oline recruits than we do 
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:02 pm to poncho villa
Penn St not to long ago made it to the conference championship game with what could be described as a sub par offensive line at best and their offense averaged 400 ypg. Never mind discount Wisconsin always seems to get pretty good ol play
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:04 pm to poncho villa
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This isn’t a burrow issue or Ensminger issue. We just need to recruit better o line men.
Yep, bingo!
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:07 pm to CDawson
How did we block Georgia, Miami, Auburn? I mean.. it's weird..., I think we need a new OC...
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:07 pm to poncho villa
What is LSU's record and ypg with Steve at the helm when LSU has played against top 20 defenses?
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:10 pm to poncho villa
The line is bad. It was bad last year too.
The problem isn’t just that the line is bad, it’s that they’re not even trying to scheme around it. You can make a had line look ok by keeping your qb in the shotgun, spreading defenses out, and relying on quick passes. You also run the hurry up/no huddle to tire out the opposing defensive line so they can’t sub, which gives the qb more time and the rbs more running lanes as the game wears on. Instead, we go max protect with slow play-action passes while being utterly unable to execute a proper screen pass. AND we run basically a 4 minute offense all game to shorten the number of possessions for the opposing team. However, this also reduces the number of chances for our own offense to score, so if this team doesn’t have a sizeable lead in the second half, they’re screwed. This strategy keeps defenses fresh and reduces opportunities for our offense to put points on the board.
When shite happens with injuries, suspensions, and early departures, leaving a team with a critical deficiency in a given personel group, you have to adjust your scheme to mask that deficiency. This offensive staff straight up doesn’t adjust for shite.
The problem isn’t just that the line is bad, it’s that they’re not even trying to scheme around it. You can make a had line look ok by keeping your qb in the shotgun, spreading defenses out, and relying on quick passes. You also run the hurry up/no huddle to tire out the opposing defensive line so they can’t sub, which gives the qb more time and the rbs more running lanes as the game wears on. Instead, we go max protect with slow play-action passes while being utterly unable to execute a proper screen pass. AND we run basically a 4 minute offense all game to shorten the number of possessions for the opposing team. However, this also reduces the number of chances for our own offense to score, so if this team doesn’t have a sizeable lead in the second half, they’re screwed. This strategy keeps defenses fresh and reduces opportunities for our offense to put points on the board.
When shite happens with injuries, suspensions, and early departures, leaving a team with a critical deficiency in a given personel group, you have to adjust your scheme to mask that deficiency. This offensive staff straight up doesn’t adjust for shite.
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:15 pm to kingbob
quote:In fairness, I don't think they really know how to adjust effectively.
This offensive staff straight up doesn’t adjust for shite.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 5:24 pm to I20goon
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BOTH are a problem. I don't know why this board, collectively, has an obsession with pointing at one thing and one thing only
Not trying to fixate on the physical limitations of the tackles but until that issue is addressed concentrating on scheme is futile.
Wouldn't Deculus be better suited to be a guard?
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