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re: It's not baseball season till tRant freaks out about a midweek game.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:51 pm to LSU12223
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:51 pm to LSU12223
UNO is not a bad team, our bullpen was a bit scattered last year so it isn't shocking we are still trying to figure things out. It is a midweek game the first week of the season. I am by no means a Maneri fan and personally think he is terrible at pitcher management. With that being said, I think he knows after last year they have to find a solid 3/4 starter and work out bullpen kinks. Sometimes letting a guy try to pitch out of a jam is the only way to see what he is made of. If that costs you a midweek game but you put another piece of your teams puzzle together, it sucks but you take it and move on.
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Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:54 pm to barry
JJ has lost control of the baseball team
Posted on 2/21/17 at 9:56 pm to lsutigertalk
No big deal losing early to find your bullpen guys... got a month to get the kinks ironed out find your reliable guys and start putting together the formula for the late run
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:00 pm to jlbasm
My point exactly, but LSU needs to rely on more than 3 bullpen pitchers and a questionable Sunday starter each week like in recent history. If there isn't enough guys to rely on, it is up to the coaching to work with these pitchers and find a way to work out the issues. Coaching staff must improve on developing talent and not letting a kid walk a batter and pulling him out immediately. Honestly, it is more important to let these pitchers work on their issues now so they can be confident later in the year.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:02 pm to lsutigertalk
Agreed... it's a delicate balance between letting a young pitcher find himself and messing his psyche up for the whole year... pitchers are fragile this early and bullpen guys are the worst... hopefully there will be some guy yet tbd that fakes it just enough to make it and find his swagger
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:05 pm to jlbasm
Example with Kiel he's nowhere near ready for pressure game right now missing up consistently is a tell of falling away just throwing not maintaining his mechanics. I didn't catch much of the game but saw his first few batters and came away with he needs a lot of work... hopefully he gets it as his stuff is fine
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:11 pm to barry
Positives, the ball is jumping off our bats. Top to bottom, this lineup can be dangerous. Also, nice to see Gilbert have a strong start (I would have liked to see him go one more, but I'm sure CPM had him on a pitch count).
Negatives, Reynolds and Norman are supposed to be reliable out of the bullpen and they struggled. Like most said, it's one bad outing in a midweek game. No reason to jump off the cliff just yet.
Negatives, Reynolds and Norman are supposed to be reliable out of the bullpen and they struggled. Like most said, it's one bad outing in a midweek game. No reason to jump off the cliff just yet.
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:26 pm to barry
I don't see most people freakn out, I see a legit concern that has happened in previous games. They put the wrong pitchers in at the wrong times, once Kiel struggled you don't put Straul in the game, that's ridiculous unless of course you want a great shot at losing the game. I think Manerie rides the ledge or edge way too much, will this come back to hurt us no but it's the same stuff with zero learning. Bain or Norman should have been in after Kiel period. Now if y'all can't take constructive criticism for obvious coaching mistakes, which it was and wasn't the first time, then you're the pus freaking out about constructive criticism. GT
Posted on 2/21/17 at 10:33 pm to sportsfan
quote:Norman gave up 1 hit, no walks and no runs in one and two third innings and you say he struggled?
Reynolds and Norman are supposed to be reliable out of the bullpen and they struggled.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:44 am to LSURussian
You're correct, that's what I get for trying to multitask. Listening on the radio, I just lumped Norman into the 11 run debacle.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 8:54 am to jlbasm
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Example with Kiel
The problem with Kiel is he doesn't even have a second pitch he can throw for a strike consistently. Teams are going to sit on his fastball. Bain looked good. Strall is basically a 1 or 2 batter pitcher. He comes in to get an out. He will get better at locating his pitches. I like him because he has a lot of run on his pitches. I liked what I saw from Gilbert. He has natural run on his fastball as well. He will be good for us. He's a potential Sunday guy. We have a solid bullpen just need to get some guys comfortable
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:07 am to barry
quote:Most complaining are doing so because this appears to be a fault of CPM. There's a difference between those random losses (that even great teams have) and those times when it feels like CPM is going to do his plan - "win/loss record be damned!"
not baseball season till tRant freaks out about a midweek game.
Every year, every fricking year, it seems like we're competing for a regional or super regional against a team with a slightly better win/loss record than us. And why do those teams have better records? Because they try to win every game. The selection committee doesn't peruse through a teams entire season; they look at things like recent records, the "big games" and the win/loss record. And it always feels like LSU's record is a few games behind its ability... because of games like last night.
The same thing will happen once sec play starts. We'll drop a few games here and there - that should've been won - and half the Rant will say "this happens to every team," "it's baseball and these things happen," "it is only one game, y'all need to calm down," but at the end of the season we'll be only one or two games behind the team that wins the conference; proving that those games/losses do indeed count and losing them was a legitimate bitch.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:16 am to Howyouluhdat
I struggle to remember Strall ever have a solid inning, much less outing, in his 3+ years here. He just doesn't have it.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:33 am to BayouBengal99
Bayou Bengal, so you know more about pitching & this LSU staff than Coach Dunn, right? After all, he was the minor league pitching director of a MLB team for over a decade. He has seen every pitch that every pitcher on this year's team has thrown since Aug. He was the National Pitching Coach of the year recently. But you know what was an "obvious coaching mistake" and Coach Dunn does not? Pitching Bain or Norman instead of Kiel proves what, exactly? They are proven pitchers. This was Kiel's first outing. What is more import ant, winning a mid week game in Feb. or developing Kiel? Obviously, let's throw Staul under the bus too & relegate him to the end of the bench. After one outing.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 9:39 am to SlapahoeTribe
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Every year, every fricking year, it seems like we're competing for a regional or super regional against a team with a slightly better win/loss record than us. And why do those teams have better records? Because they try to win every game. The selection committee doesn't peruse through a teams entire season; they look at things like recent records, the "big games" and the win/loss record. And it always feels like LSU's record is a few games behind its ability... because of games like last night.
Is this why we've been a national seed 4 straight years?
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The same thing will happen once sec play starts. We'll drop a few games here and there - that should've been won - and half the Rant will say "this happens to every team," "it's baseball and these things happen," "it is only one game, y'all need to calm down," but at the end of the season we'll be only one or two games behind the team that wins the conference; proving that those games/losses do indeed count and losing them was a legitimate bitch.
Is this why we have 2 SEC Titles in the last 5 years, more than any other school?
At least if you're going to complain, know your facts first
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:21 am to lsufball19
quote:CPM only been a coach for 4 years??? I was talking in terms of his entire tenure at LSU.
Is this why we've been a national seed 4 straight years?
quote:Could've/should've been more. My point was that all too frequently we're only one or two games back... showing those "little" games here and there make a difference. And I'm not just talking about the last five years (see above).
this why we have 2 SEC Titles in the last 5 years, more than any other school?
quote:I know my facts. I've watched this team through thick and thin with season tickets since the 80's and made way more games than I've missed; been there on those cold Tuesday nights when it felt like there were fewer people in the stands than at the Outback.
At least if you're going to complain, know your facts first.
I can see that CPM has issues. I can see that time and again we've needed at damned hard run at the end of the season to make up for those "it's only one game" losses. Furthermore; I'm not running around yelling "the sky is falling" because of last night's one loss. I'm only stating that there are legitimate complaints as to both why these such games matter and as to CPM's handling of certain situations.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:27 am to man in the stadium
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I struggle to remember Strall ever have a solid inning, much less outing, in his 3+ years here. He just doesn't have it.
He transferred in as a Sophomore after one year at JUCO, so if you're trying to remember stuff over 3+ years of him being here the issue is with your memory.
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:35 am to SlapahoeTribe
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I can see that CPM has issues.
What coach doesn't. PM is one of the best college baseball coaches in the game right now.
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I'm only stating that there are legitimate complaints as to both why these such games matter
The UNO game has absolutely zero effect on the outcome of our season. ZERO!!!!
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:37 am to SlapahoeTribe
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CPM only been a coach for 4 years??? I was talking in terms of his entire tenure at LSU.
Oh, you want to talk his entire tenure?
5 SEC Regular Season titles in 10 years
4 SECT Championships
4 CWS Appearances
6 Super Reginals
6 National Seeds
1 National Title
And in 2013, he set the LSU record for regular season wins and conference wins. he went 23-7 in the conference. It just so happened that Vandy was just unreal, setting the SEC record with a 26-3 conference record
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Could've/should've been more. My point was that all too frequently we're only one or two games back... showing those "little" games here and there make a difference. And I'm not just talking about the last five years (see above).
It's a tough league. He's been as succesful as any coach winning the SEC
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I know my facts. I've watched this team through thick and thin with season tickets since the 80's and made way more games than I've missed; been there on those cold Tuesday nights when it felt like there were fewer people in the stands than at the Outback. I can see that CPM has issues. I can see that time and again we've needed at damned hard run at the end of the season to make up for those "it's only one game" losses.
Then you need to temper your expectations. College baseball is not what it was in the 80s and 90s. Many more teams field competitive teams year in and year out than they did when Skip was around. LSU does not have more talent than any team like they did back then. No one will ever replicate what Skip did, and if that's your bar for success, then you will be forever disappointed
This post was edited on 2/22/17 at 10:41 am
Posted on 2/22/17 at 10:39 am to lsufball19
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Oh, you want to talk his entire tenure? 5 SEC Regular Season titles in 10 years 4 SECT Championships 4 CWS Appearances 6 Super Reginals 6 National Seeds 1 National Title
Stop he has season tickets leave him alone
fricking guys seats must be across Nicholson
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