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re: It’s funny how time has a way of making people look foolish
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:49 am to LSUStar
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:49 am to LSUStar
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They were NOT big name coaches when they em were hired, you dolt. Geez
Correct!
I suspect most college football fans couldn't name the university where Miles, Saban, and Orgeron were HCs prior to LSU.
How many conference championships have Oklahoma State and Michigan State won.
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Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:52 am to Gus007
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How many conference championships have Oklahoma State and Michigan State won.
I mean, they were certainly more renowned football schools than Southern Miss and Vanderbilt.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:58 am to Nutriaitch
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the Saban hire was the first step in changing the way LSU did business.
I don't know about that, LSU really started increasing spending on football facilities in the 90s.
Indoor practice facility, 1991
Athletic Administration Building 1996
Upper east deck completed in 2000
That's when it looked to me that LSU was getting serious about spending money on football. Saban stepped into some pretty nice, new facilities when he got here.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:58 am to Mike da Tigah
I remember statements made in the media when we were firing Miles. They were something along the lines of “who do they think they are having those kinds of expectations?”, meaning expectations of being a championship caliber program. If I am remembering correctly, the national media even said we should accept “our place” as middle of the pack and consider a 10 win season a success.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:01 am to tigertex1992
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I remember statements made in the media when we were firing Miles. They were something along the lines of “who do they think they are having those kinds of expectations?”, meaning expectations of being a championship caliber program. If I am remembering correctly, the national media even said we should accept “our place” as middle of the pack and consider a 10 win season a success
I distinctly remember this. Not sure who it was, but I wanted to reach through the tv and strangle the bastard.
They can STTDB now
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:09 am to Mike da Tigah
If there is a network that has had analysts that were locked into recency bias longer than anyone else, it's ESPN. 
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:10 am to Mike da Tigah
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It’s funny how time has a way of making people look foolish by Mike da Tigah
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CFB analysts exclaiming on ESPN that they didn’t know that LSU was a very attractive place to coach at a high level for potential big name coaches
1989 4-7
1990 5-6
1991 5-6
1992 2-9
1993 5-6
1994 4-7
1995 7-4
1996 10-2
1997 9-3
1998 4-7
1999 3-8
with all due respect, LSU wasn't an attractive place to coach for big name coaches. Nick Saban wasn't considered a big name in 99-00
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:13 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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That's when it looked to me that LSU was getting serious about spending money on football
The indoor practice facility was a nice addition but overall the facilities were still below par before Saban got here. The East Upper I think was under Emmert, but DiNardo's first 3 years showed fans were dying to support a winner. The hiring of Sabana and the commitments made then were drastic changes
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:14 am to bstew3006
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Nick Saban wasn't considered a big name in 99-00
he had NFL offers before LSU, he may not have been a name to the avg fan but was a name in coaching circles
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:22 am to Nutriaitch
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well at the time, LSU was notorious for being cheap.
and the “good ole boys club” ran things.
meaning if you wanted to coach at LSU, it would be for less money than you could get elsewhere, and so much politics was involved in hirings/firings that you wouldn’t even have a full day in who works for you.
so it was a fair assessment.
And, credit where credit's due, Mark Emmert whipped out his schlong and let it dangle and proved to everyone that he had the biggest swinging dick in the room and went out and got Saban. He went out and spent money to put LSU football back on the map.
Don't forget that Joe Dean (and others, too, the sin wasn't Dean's alone) didn't want to pay Saban.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:26 am to Mike da Tigah
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t’s funny how time has a way of making people look foolish
Yeah, look at all the folks here about Orgeron 3 years ago.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:26 am to H-Town Tiger
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I'm with you on DiNardo except a quibble with this. Not to defend Tepper, but he was only the DC for 2 years, after the 2nd they were all fired. DiNardo's first DC Carl Reese left after 3 years for the same position at Texas with Mack Brown because they were giving him a huge raise. Dean was not willing to pay for assistants, this is just 2 1/2 years before the time the OP is talking about.
Also there were bigger problems than simply a bad DC. DiNardo himself has talked about it. Being restricted in recruiting at Vandy, he went a little far the other way when he got to LSU and recruited a number of guys that were or became ineligible and or had to be kicked off the team. By his last year, the roster was below the scholarship limits.
Fair enough.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:43 am to mikesliveisacheater
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I wonder how much Herman and Jimbo turning us down had to do with Alleva?
Herman wanted Texas and used Alleva’s interest to increase his salary. Nothing to do with Alleva.
Jimbo was unofficially hired by LSU and Alleva in 2015. He was unceremoniously dumped by LSU and Alleva just weeks later. Jimbo had created a dumpster fire in Tallahassee and Alleva officially lit the flame. He was rightfully butt hurt with LSU and used LSU to get the ridiculous aTm contract. Jimbo had everything to do with Alleva.
Herman F’ed up big time. Hard to say the same about Jimbo, he F’ed up football wise, but made a financial score of epic proportions. Both could have won the Natty with LSU this year. Both are stuck in Texas now.
LSU lucked out and helped create a legendary coach. O’s Cajun shtick, gravely voice, and Geaux Tigahs, combined with a Natty has created a recruiting juggernaut. And recruiting is 85% of the battle. Development 5%, and luck 10%.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:47 am to H-Town Tiger
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e had NFL offers before LSU, he may not have been a name to the avg fan but was a name in coaching circles
Not disputing that, simple saying he wasn’t a “big name” as the op referred
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 10:49 am
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:04 am to Mike da Tigah
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they didn’t know that LSU was a very attractive place to coach at
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1999
I agree
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:05 am to Mike da Tigah
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In 1999, I remember CFB analysts exclaiming on ESPN
what else do you need to know ?
you answered your own question
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:13 am to rbdallas
LSU was a sleeping giant in 1999, just like Tennessee is today.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:17 am to Mike da Tigah
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ESPN that they didn’t know that LSU was a very attractive place to coach at a high level for potential big name coaches being discussed in LSU’s coaching search to replace Gerry Dinardo
Its actually a fair assessment for the time period because in this moment LSU was cheap as shite with everything.
They were not committed to spend the money to win.
Emmert and Nick changed all of that.
One of the biggest things Saban ever did was convince the entire LSU Athletic Department that to be competitive they HAD to spend money.
Nick shows up and BOOM Cox building breaks ground.
That new mind set changed everything.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:19 am to H-Town Tiger
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he hiring of Sabanana and the commitments made then were drastic changes
Yes, but not "the first step" which is what I was replying to.
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facilities were still below par
Were you around in the 80s?
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:21 am to Mike da Tigah
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In 1999, I remember CFB analysts exclaiming on ESPN that they didn’t know that LSU was a very attractive place to coach at a high level for potential big name coaches being discussed in LSU’s coaching search to replace Gerry Dinardo
Saban came in here and forced them to change the way that LSU ran their football program. Without him we probably don't take that next step.
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