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It’s funny how time has a way of making people look foolish
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:16 am
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:16 am
In 1999, I remember CFB analysts exclaiming on ESPN that they didn’t know that LSU was a very attractive place to coach at a high level for potential big name coaches being discussed in LSU’s coaching search to replace Gerry Dinardo. Let’s put aside the extreme wealth of talent that Louisiana has always offered, or the fact that LSU is without rival in it’s own state as a major program to attract that talent, or Louisiana kids having a strong affection for LSU growing up. I found that comment not only insulting as hell, but basically without basis in reality, rather an observation of the current shape LSU perhaps found themselves at the time with some really lackluster coaching and recruiting over the past 10 years or so. Suffice it to say that this LSU fan NEVER forgot that shite.
Since then, every single coach that has coached LSU has won SEC Championships and a National Championship at the previously ascribed “Not an attractive place to coach at a high level” football program. I find this extremely satisfying, and it is just more proof that talking heads talk with their heads. They don’t necessarily use their heads when they talk though.
Since then, every single coach that has coached LSU has won SEC Championships and a National Championship at the previously ascribed “Not an attractive place to coach at a high level” football program. I find this extremely satisfying, and it is just more proof that talking heads talk with their heads. They don’t necessarily use their heads when they talk though.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:20 am to Mike da Tigah
well at the time, LSU was notorious for being cheap.
and the “good ole boys club” ran things.
meaning if you wanted to coach at LSU, it would be for less money than you could get elsewhere, and so much politics was involved in hirings/firings that you wouldn’t even have a full day in who works for you.
so it was a fair assessment.
and the “good ole boys club” ran things.
meaning if you wanted to coach at LSU, it would be for less money than you could get elsewhere, and so much politics was involved in hirings/firings that you wouldn’t even have a full day in who works for you.
so it was a fair assessment.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:22 am to Nutriaitch
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it was a fair assessment
of the current condition, but not at all of the potential for a big time coach to win big at. Proven wrong only 2 short years later when LSU took down mighty UT in the SEC Championship, and 2 more years later when LSU won the Natty.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 7:27 am
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:26 am to Mike da Tigah
And I remember them saying the same about Alabama when they were searching for a coach and wound up with Saban.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:27 am to Mike da Tigah
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they didn’t know that LSU was a very attractive place to coach at a high level for potential big name coaches being discussed in LSU’s coaching search to replace Gerry Dinardo
What big name coaches have we attracted since Dinardo? Feels like every big name we went after turned us down.
Looks like the media called it right. You could argue some coaches made a poor decision by turning us down.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:29 am to kciDAtaE
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What big name coaches have we attracted since Dinardo? Feels like every big name we went after turned us down. Looks like the media called it right. You could argue some coaches made a poor decision by turning us down.
So, LSU won 3 national championships since then with no big name coaches at the time, but it wasn’t a place for a big name coach to win at?
That’s hilarious..
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:47 am to evansky
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And I remember them saying the same about Alabama when they were searching for a coach and wound up with Saban.
Link?
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:49 am to Mike da Tigah
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So, LSU won 3 national championships since then with no big name coaches at the time
well, Saban wasn’t Saban yet when we hired him.
Les wasn’t what anyone would have called a big name either.
and Ed O sure as hell didn’t fit the bill of “big name”.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:50 am to Mike da Tigah
It appears that LSU makes Big name coaches. Who was Saban, Miles, and Orgeron prior to their coaching at LSU.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:51 am to Gus007
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It appears that LSU makes Big name coaches. Who was Saban, Miles, and Orgeron prior to their coaching at LSU.
Exactly what I was thinking.
But of course, not a good place for a big name coach to win at. That’s golden.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:52 am to Mike da Tigah
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of the current condition,
that “current condition” was a couple decades strong in the late 90s. Not exactly a blip.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:53 am to Mike da Tigah
Joe Dean was a visionary of mediocrity. He was a terrible AD, worse than Alleva.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:54 am to Gus007
Saban and Miles had winning records at Name brand schools nationally.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:56 am to Nutriaitch
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well, Saban wasn’t Saban yet when we hired him.
Les wasn’t what anyone would have called a big name either.
and Ed O sure as hell didn’t fit the bill of “big name”.
Looks to me like LSU makes coaches great, not the other way around. That is a ringing endorsement for being one of the top places to coach.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:57 am to Mike da Tigah
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of the current condition, but not at all of the potential for a big time coach to win big at.
It takes more than “a big time coach”. LSU over the previous 2 decades had not proven they were willing to put the necessary resources into the program. People looking at a distance aren’t going to look beyond that. It happens all the time even among our fans when discussing other programs.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 7:58 am to Nutriaitch
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that “current condition” was a couple decades strong in the late 90s. Not exactly a blip.
Bill Arnsparger was no scrub, and did pretty well at LSU in the mid 80’s It wasn’t until Mike Archer in the late 80’s that we started to go down hill, and even he was able to finish at #5 at years end in 87 with a 10-1-1 record.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:15 am to Mike da Tigah
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Bill Arnsparger was no scrub, and did pretty well at LSU in the mid 80’s It wasn’t until Mike Archer in the late 80’s that we started to go down hill, and even he was able to finish at #5 at years end in 87 with a 10-1-1 record.
DiNardo went 10-2 his 2nd year. But eventual got fired. I don't think anyone would have said you can't have a winning season or 2 at LSU, unless your name is Curley Hallman, the question was about long term success. I remember a radio guy in Houston talking about how we had 7 coaches in 20 years, i called in to tell him that while true, coach 1 McClendon coached at LSU for 18 years and coach 2 Rein died in a plane crash like the one that killed Payne Stewart earlier that year. So I get what you are saying, me and my friends used to talk about guys like Neil Smith and Leroy Hoard that we knew were from Louisiana and if we could only keep those guys, what kind of program we could have, well Saban was the first one to do that. It took Emmert to put the resources into the program. I felt like it it might be different when we paid Saban the 3rd most, behind only Bowden and Spurrier. But I understand why national people wouldn't see that, they weren't "wrong" just reacting to what LSU had done for 20 years. Which was win occasionally and fire a coach after a few years
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 8:16 am
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:17 am to The Belk
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Saban and Miles had winning records at Name brand schools nationally.
Those two schools are the baby brothers in their own state.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:17 am to Mike da Tigah
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Bill Arnsparger was no scrub, and did pretty well at LSU in the mid 80’s It wasn’t until Mike Archer
i think y’all are confusing “attractive to big name coaches” with “can’t win”
because those two things aren’t necessarily the same.
look at our history of hires
Dietzel - position coach ; first HC job
Mac - promoted a career assistant
Rein - the lone exception in this list
Stovall - emergency hire, but a former player and assistant
Arnsparger - 7-28 coaching record prior to LSU
Archer - an assistant barely old enough to shave yet
Curley - decent name up and comer, but probably not a “big name”
DiNardo - losing record at Vandy
even if you read up on Saban, he admits he had to be convinced to come here. He knew there was something “wrong” at LSU that was preventing us from being perennial contender.
so what the media was saying, was correct.
this wasn’t a job where the big name candidates were beating down our doors begging us to hire them. Because we had internal issues dating far enough back that it was viewed as a part of the job here and not just a temporary hiccup.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:20 am to Mike da Tigah
Two things.
Having to fill 24 hours a day of programming guarantees that each good little nugget is surrounded by pure shite. ESPN is no exception. I only watch live athletic events and avoid most of the shite. Especially once they decided to go CNN political.
And, LSU had just emerged from its Georgia like period of good but just not good enough under Charlie Mac and Stoval 1962-1983. LSU was in its Tennessee like period of pure crap under Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo 1987-1999. But what was generally overlooked was the 1984-1986 period of Arnsparger, who showed what a real coach-recruiter could do at LSU. Saban did not appreciate LSU, and LSU didn’t appreciate Saban. Fortunately, Saban’s agent put the two together, and the rest is history.
Having to fill 24 hours a day of programming guarantees that each good little nugget is surrounded by pure shite. ESPN is no exception. I only watch live athletic events and avoid most of the shite. Especially once they decided to go CNN political.
And, LSU had just emerged from its Georgia like period of good but just not good enough under Charlie Mac and Stoval 1962-1983. LSU was in its Tennessee like period of pure crap under Archer, Hallman, and DiNardo 1987-1999. But what was generally overlooked was the 1984-1986 period of Arnsparger, who showed what a real coach-recruiter could do at LSU. Saban did not appreciate LSU, and LSU didn’t appreciate Saban. Fortunately, Saban’s agent put the two together, and the rest is history.
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