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re: It will be great when Orgeron proves the haters wrong.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:43 am to bencoleman
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:43 am to bencoleman
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If they were doing so great why get rid of Cam? You can't have it both ways. Did the offense improve after Ensminger took over or did it not?
No, it didn't. See the egg we laid at home against Bama. Enjoy that offensive record against a shitty Missouri.
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:49 am to eyeofthetiger3
I don't hate him but I'd love to be proven wrong about thinking as many do about the hire of O....that it was a mistake..that would mean LSU is winning at a high level. And I'll certainly take that over being right.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:51 am to bencoleman
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If they were doing so great why get rid of Cam? You can't have it both ways. Did the offense improve after Ensminger took over or did it not?
I don't recall ever saying that the offense didn't improve under E. The conversation was is it a positive accomplishment or a question mark. The fact remains that he hasn't run his own offense in 20 years and Guice and Fournette are not on the team. The whole offense is completely new starters, almost every position is inexperienced and Giles hasn't played against an SEC schedule yet. Using the "he broke records" argument just doesn't fit to this offense in any way.
I feel like a broken record, but all of that doesn't mean he can't be successful, it's just an unknown at this point.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:56 am to NoGeaux
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Not a homerun? Not even bloop single. It was a strikeout.
OK fine, that is your and many others opinions. However, he still coaches our beloved Tigers and there were times he and Ensminger put up some great numbers and did they not get into the 4th quarter of 2016 with Bama tied 0-0? Also, did LSU not outgain Bama last year?
It seems we have some tougher DL and OL and a great front 7 on Def and good depth, therefore, with Aranda running the Def and Burrow coming in and teams not knowing what we will run, we could catch many teams by surprise when they try to line up against these talented WR and Burrow.
I hope you at least root for the Tigers, if not and you worry about Orgeron, you are not a true Tiger fan
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:00 am to Dubaitiger
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there were times he and Ensminger put up some great numbers and did they not get into the 4th quarter of 2016 with Bama tied 0-0? Also, did LSU not outgain Bama last year?
Pathetic. What can you get with those moral victories and $0.25?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:10 am to Dubaitiger
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I hope you at least root for the Tigers, if not and you worry about Orgeron, you are not a true Tiger fan
There are plenty just like him in this thread. From what I can see the coaches are doing what it takes to put a winning product on the field. Most here refuse to accept or acknowledge it. Their hatred is too ingrained. I would be more concerned if the coaches weren't going to other schools or programs in order to implement a successful offensive scheme. There are those here that honestly believe that steve is creating an offense out of thin air. It's almost comical in it's absurdity.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:17 am to bencoleman
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From what I can see the coaches are doing what it takes to put a winning product on the field.
How do you know this?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:21 am to Mo Jeaux
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there were times he and Ensminger put up some great numbers and did they not get into the 4th quarter of 2016 with Bama tied 0-0? Also, did LSU not outgain Bama last year?
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Pathetic. What can you get with those moral victories and $0.25?
Agreed. And Bama got up early 14-0 and was very conservative offensively the rest of the game, which affected the yardage stats.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:53 am to eyeofthetiger3
It will be great (But Sad) when Orgeron proves the Realists right. (Realists = Alums and LSU fans that don't have their heads buried in the Sand)
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:07 am to semjase
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It will be great (But Sad) when Orgeron proves the Realists right. (Realists = Alums and LSU fans that don't have their heads buried in the Sand)
Realist is in the eye of the beholder and reality is not proven until the games are over. Very condescending in your tone which is big fail. It is more important for LSU to win regardless if you or anyone else like the HC or not. That being said I have mixed emotions on O and in no way he is a guarantee for success. But I can still support him 110% in spirit and the LSU Tigers all in the same.
Some of us just prefer to see what happens instead of jumping to conclusions to hide fear of being let down. There are no guarantees in life and you make the best with what you have. Those who don't understand that either break the rules of nature to get ahead and one day will have to pay the piper or they just simply lose all the time in life.
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:36 am to Canwoodtiger
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reality is not proven until the games are over
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Some of us just prefer to see what happens
Its funny that you say these things because I've been told that I can't see past my hatred for Orgeron and won't admit the changes he made are going to make us better after stating the exact same kind of stuff.
Now, it seems you are saying them in a more supportive position. Amazing how this place works sometimes.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:51 am to eyeofthetiger3
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The only reason the millennial and negatigers don’t like him is he isn’t a pristine white guy.
Lolwut?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:51 am to eyeofthetiger3
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eyeofthetiger3
Quick question:. Do you have a degree from LSU?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:54 am to TigerLunatik
Nothing funny about it. You have your version of reality and I have mine. It ain't the universal reality until something actually happens. What is funny is that someone can't even be neutral or positive on O with out the Negatiger filthy chiite (not you necessarily) screaming about them being wrong and morons. That type (along with their step brothers/separated at birth Gumps) proves everyday why they are an insult to their own existence in the CFB fandom world.
O ain't perfect but he has proven he has learned some things from the Ole Miss days. I like how he has re-tooled our lines and added depth. Now he needs to land more impact players and win more than 9 a season. He has proven he can win 9 and that is it. In no way he has proven he can win a championship or division title. He has made some mistakes in recruiting and put too many eggs in just a few baskets. He made a big mistake not going for it on the half yard line vs. ND and there is NO EXCUSE for Troy or Miss St last year.
See I can be real yet still leave room to enable him to prove himself and give credit where credit is due. That sir is being truly objective. You should try it sometimes:)>
O ain't perfect but he has proven he has learned some things from the Ole Miss days. I like how he has re-tooled our lines and added depth. Now he needs to land more impact players and win more than 9 a season. He has proven he can win 9 and that is it. In no way he has proven he can win a championship or division title. He has made some mistakes in recruiting and put too many eggs in just a few baskets. He made a big mistake not going for it on the half yard line vs. ND and there is NO EXCUSE for Troy or Miss St last year.
See I can be real yet still leave room to enable him to prove himself and give credit where credit is due. That sir is being truly objective. You should try it sometimes:)>
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:02 am to Canwoodtiger
LMAO. I've been objective about it since I got over my anger when he was hired. I've been called an O apologist, an O lover and all sorts of shite because I've pointed things he's done well and because I've called people out when they do dumb shite like call him names.
The point was that you are saying wait and see because we can't see the future and I have been saying the same thing in this thread since yesterday morning because we have unknowns and not anything proven. I'm not sure why anyone would say that isn't being objective. If you can point to me saying anywhere saying that O can't succeed or will fail I would love to see it.
I guess when I said that the team has top 10, CFP talent and that I like the concepts of what Ensminger is talking about running and that i liked the philosophy in the spring game that wasn't objective either, right?
The point was that you are saying wait and see because we can't see the future and I have been saying the same thing in this thread since yesterday morning because we have unknowns and not anything proven. I'm not sure why anyone would say that isn't being objective. If you can point to me saying anywhere saying that O can't succeed or will fail I would love to see it.
I guess when I said that the team has top 10, CFP talent and that I like the concepts of what Ensminger is talking about running and that i liked the philosophy in the spring game that wasn't objective either, right?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:04 am to Canwoodtiger
Lol that’s the big lie! He hasn’t learned.
I beg ya. Go look at O’s pressers at Ole Miss and then jump forward to today.
OM. We are gonna run the USC Offense.
Hires OC who doesn’t run, never ran USC offense.
Fires OC after 1st year.
We are gonna run USC Offense.
Hires 2nd OC who never ran USC type O.
LSU we are gonna run USC O. Hires Canada. Never ran doesn’t run USC O.
Fires after 1st year.
We are gonna run USC O. Hires 2nd OC who hasn’t been an OC this decade and never ran USC type O.
LSU I learned from OM and will hire best coaches and let them coach! Hmmm he hasn’t done that.
OM WildBoyz
LSU cracks Red Bull cans over his head drawing blood.
What exactly has he learned and not repeated.
The only thing keeping this from disaster is hold over staff Aranda and Raymond from previous HC.
You can argue that you believe O will get better.
But you cannot honestly argue he learned anything from OM when he is repeating the same mistakes here.
It’s simply not true.
I beg ya. Go look at O’s pressers at Ole Miss and then jump forward to today.
OM. We are gonna run the USC Offense.
Hires OC who doesn’t run, never ran USC offense.
Fires OC after 1st year.
We are gonna run USC Offense.
Hires 2nd OC who never ran USC type O.
LSU we are gonna run USC O. Hires Canada. Never ran doesn’t run USC O.
Fires after 1st year.
We are gonna run USC O. Hires 2nd OC who hasn’t been an OC this decade and never ran USC type O.
LSU I learned from OM and will hire best coaches and let them coach! Hmmm he hasn’t done that.
OM WildBoyz
LSU cracks Red Bull cans over his head drawing blood.
What exactly has he learned and not repeated.
The only thing keeping this from disaster is hold over staff Aranda and Raymond from previous HC.
You can argue that you believe O will get better.
But you cannot honestly argue he learned anything from OM when he is repeating the same mistakes here.
It’s simply not true.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:05 am to TigerLunatik
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LMAO. I've been objective about it since I got over my anger when he was hired. I've been called an O apologist, an O lover and all sorts of shite because I've pointed things he's done well and because I've called people out when they do dumb shite like call him names. The point was that you are saying wait and see because we can't see the future and I have been saying the same thing in this thread since yesterday morning because we have unknowns and not anything proven. I'm not sure why anyone would say that isn't being objective. If you can point to me saying anywhere saying that O can't succeed or will fail I would love to see it. I guess when I said that the team has top 10, CFP talent and that I like the concepts of what Ensminger is talking about running and that i liked the philosophy in the spring game that wasn't objective either, right?
Oops! My bad I meant to respond to someone else (I will not call them out at this point) and not you.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:09 am to eyeofthetiger3
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There are things I don’t like about LSU but I don’t go whine like little bitches about it to everyone
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:09 am to Canwoodtiger
No problem. Happens to the best of us.
I will say that from what I've seen, most people that question Coach O are simply refuting others that are pointing unknowns as fact. Of course, there are a few dumbasses, but by and large most just want what's best for LSU and want them to win no matter who is running the show.
I will say that from what I've seen, most people that question Coach O are simply refuting others that are pointing unknowns as fact. Of course, there are a few dumbasses, but by and large most just want what's best for LSU and want them to win no matter who is running the show.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:13 am to NoGeaux
I am not sure if he is going to get better or not. He hired Canada because he wanted to try a different angle and take advantage of mis direction...something different than just three yards and a cloud dust. Especially since we had a good but not an all world dominant OL. It backfired and he should have done more homework on Canada's work relationship with previous staffs.
With Ensminger there is certainly an honest attempt to do things differently like more 3 and 4 Wr sets and utilizing the TE. Ensminger is not necessarily the USC offense of yesterday but he does have some good ideas that we saw wrinkles of in the Spring game. There is an honest attempt to get better on offense and there does seem to be a plan. If you disagree or can't just see that due to blind hatred then so be it.
As far as the antics they are just that. But I certainly hope he does not tear his shirt off in the locker room and challenges his players LOL! Now that would be beyond ridiculous.
Not enough evidence if he has turned the corner or not as far as getting to the next level of being a HC. No matter how much you want there to be there is not. I know you can't be objective about it but it is what it is. Yeah I know it sucks that not everyone is going to agree with you 100% of the time. But that is life so get over it.
With Ensminger there is certainly an honest attempt to do things differently like more 3 and 4 Wr sets and utilizing the TE. Ensminger is not necessarily the USC offense of yesterday but he does have some good ideas that we saw wrinkles of in the Spring game. There is an honest attempt to get better on offense and there does seem to be a plan. If you disagree or can't just see that due to blind hatred then so be it.
As far as the antics they are just that. But I certainly hope he does not tear his shirt off in the locker room and challenges his players LOL! Now that would be beyond ridiculous.
Not enough evidence if he has turned the corner or not as far as getting to the next level of being a HC. No matter how much you want there to be there is not. I know you can't be objective about it but it is what it is. Yeah I know it sucks that not everyone is going to agree with you 100% of the time. But that is life so get over it.
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 11:25 am
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