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re: Is ND that much better with Freeman??

Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:28 am to
Posted by bayou85
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Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:28 am to
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Kelly lost by 28, 27 and 17 and was never in any of those 3 games. After each, observers pointed to his easy schedules and concluded he really didn't belong in those games.



Are you comparing 2012 Bama, 2018 Clemson and 2020 Bama to THAT UGA team and frickin' INDIANA?

Clem and "20 Bama are top 5 teams of the last 25-30 years?
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
16871 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:30 am to
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Freeman just beat the SEC champion by 13


UGA is not a great team this year. Got absolutely dismantled by Ole Miss, should have lost to Georgia Tech, and a terrible UK took them to the wire.

And on top of that they had a backup QB in that was clearly in over his head and you can see that this wasn't some dominant win over a great team. If Notre Dame plays this hot Ohio State team, they're going to lose by 20.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13179 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:32 am to
Vegas also had Ohio State +1.5 vs Oregon, Texas -13.5 vs Arizona State. All of those teams had their starting quarterbacks and Vegas was way off.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
46689 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:32 am to
Last night UGA looked like the West Canaan Coyotes after they went to the strip club all night.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
39570 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:34 am to
You have played against air and back up QB’s.

You haven’t accomplished shite.
Posted by Cleary Rebels
Member since Oct 2024
2899 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:39 am to
They had something to go off of from Oregon game - they had already played a close game. Texas should have smashed ASU. They fricked around and found out. Vegas is betting lines anyway. People thought Oregon game would be close bc of previous game. The Big 12 was terrible, thus Texas big. I guess putting Swann in game for Nuss being out for LSU would’t have caused the line to move - LOL
Posted by Lcguy
Member since Jan 2020
1389 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:41 am to
He beat the weakest Georgia team in years, with their backup quarterback. Their QB threw for 90 yards. Lol no.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32033 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:41 am to
Freeman has done a good job this year. To argue otherwise is foolish. But in making that argument you also have to accept they, thus far, have gotten a favorable draw in the CFP. Indiana was 11-1 and deserved to be in the CFP. They are were good story. But they also fell into an incredibly favorable schedule to get to that point. Their non-conf. schedule was awful, and they avoided not just the most of the top of the Big 10 (Oregon, Penn St, Illinois), but somehow most of the middle part of the conf. too (Iowa, Minnesota, USC). They were able to get a win vs. a mostly average Michigan team at home before being demolished by Ohio St...the one ranked team they played prior to the CFP.

Georgia was a much better team. But it's tough to find success against solid opponents (which ND is) without your starting QB. That's not to say ND couldn't have still beaten Georgia with Beck starting. They could. But you have to acknowledge that was a big handicap for Georgia.

The good news for ND is the "buts..." will start falling off if they keep winning. Penn St. is a solid team who is playing well right now. If ND gets by them, they will face Texas or Ohio St. Both are probably among the top 5 most talented teams in the country.

Posted by iBack8569
Member since Dec 2021
1545 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:42 am to
The mental gymnastics you guys are doing is something else. Notre Dame just manhandled the SEC champion, but it’s because the inconsistent starting QB was out? That same backup QB came in during a close championship game and beat Texas in overtime. I guess Texas sucks too? Hell is anybody other than Ohio State worth a damn? Maybe Michigan must be a top 5 team because they smothered OSU and Alabama.

It’s been 3 years since Kelly left ND and Freeman has made them better, while LSU has inexplicably regressed under Kelly since year 1. Freeman’s starting QB is a transfer from fricking Duke.

So in short: Kelly is turning out to be the dud that was holding ND back. Woodward is an idiot shelling out that kind of money for a guy that can’t beat top 10 teams.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13179 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:43 am to
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They had something to go off of from Oregon game - they had already played a close game.

And they still go it wrong.
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Texas should have smashed ASU. They fricked around and found out.

No they shouldn't have. If anything it's the other way around. Arizona State statistically dominated that game. While we are on the topic of backup quarterbacks, there are a large number of people that think Texas could be a better team with Arch.
Posted by Cleary Rebels
Member since Oct 2024
2899 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:45 am to
So everyone has an Arch Manning waiting in wings? LMAO The betting line was close bc Beck was out - period. FSU didn’t even make it when they lost their QB. LOL
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 9:46 am
Posted by Cleary Rebels
Member since Oct 2024
2899 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:50 am to
So UGA didn’t miss a guy who threw for 7,426 yards, completed 69% of his passes, had 52 TD’s and was a 2 starter? Surely you jest!!! Put Swann in for Nuss in our bowl game - LOL. Was Nuss not inconsistent in some games? A backups 1st start in Playoff game? LMAO
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13179 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:51 am to
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So everyone has an Arch Manning waiting in wings?

No? But if you want to use AJ Swann as a specific example, then I can use Arch Manning as a specific example.
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The betting line was close bc Beck was out - period.

I don't care. I just proved to you that betting lines don't mean shite.
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FSU didn’t even make it when they lost their QB.

Literally irrelevant. The committee felt that Florida State's backup QB was so bad that they dropped them out of the top 4. The committee felt that Georgia's backup quarterback was good enough to leave them as the #2 ranked team in the entire country.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 9:53 am
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
8611 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:53 am to
I think this year's ND team has more to do with Denbrock and Al Golden. Freeman has two of the highest paid coordinators in football, and they both have a lot more experience than himself. Kinda like when Orgeron had Aranda and Joe Brady, all he had to do was worry about motivation and recruiting.
Posted by Brendoni
Oklahoma City, Ok
Member since Apr 2009
21755 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:53 am to
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Freeman just beat the SEC champion by 13


With their backup qb, making his first start.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
37692 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:54 am to
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Kelly lost by 28, 27 and 17 and was never in any of those 3 games.


The score was 14-7 in the second quarter. It still ended up a blowout but to say they were never in that one isn't quite right. No one expected them to win any of those games, though.


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After each, observers pointed to his easy schedules and concluded he really didn't belong in those games.




Those observers were wrong as are most people who point to NDs "easy schedule"


Here are the SOS of the ND teams to make a BCS or CFP.

BK
2012 ND SOS was 7th
2018 ND SOS was 13th
2020 ND played in the ACC and their SOS was again 7th

Undefeated regular seasons in each f those years

Freeman
2024 ND SOS was 17th

Lost to NIU at home in the regular season.

But Freeman is young and I expect great things from him. And that is coming from someone who is not a Notre Dame fan nor do I think he can be crowned better than BK yet.
Posted by tiger9394
Member since Jan 2025
20 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:55 am to
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The SEC was obviously better than they are now when Kelly was at ND. NIL and the portal has absolutely weakened the SEC’s grip on college football. There is not an elite team in the league.
Not an elite team in the league? Ohio State? Have you watched their performances in the playoff? Notre Dame is playing at an elite level compared to when Brian Kelly was there, and it's not even close. They are bigger, faster, stronger and bringing in way more talent than ever. Not sure what you're watching. There are elite teams, Georgia isn't anymore.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 10:00 am
Posted by LSUScores
Member since Oct 2015
1102 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:57 am to
Was 8-5 Texas A&M their best regular season win?
Posted by MrSinnyman
Member since Dec 2024
140 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:58 am to
Here’s something alot of people are missing: BK served under Jack Swarbrick. An AD that publicly said many times “we’re an academic school with a football program. We’re not a football school with an academic program”. BK begged Swarbrick for years to cough up more dough to upgrade facilities, spend in recruiting, spend on coaches, etc. But Swarbrick is gone now and the new AD is more receptive to spending money, which in 2024 is how to build teams year to year.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13179 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:58 am to
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BK
2012 ND SOS was 7th
2018 ND SOS was 13th
2020 ND played in the ACC and their SOS was again 7th

Undefeated regular seasons in each f those years

Freeman
2024 ND SOS was 17th

Those SOS are including the national championship games which helps boost them. For example, if you go to the 2018 season, on December 15th before they played the national championship game, their SOS was 26th.

Not saying that Freeman is so much better than BK or anything, but the schedules are pretty comparable. After they play Penn St their SOS will get boosted again.
This post was edited on 1/3/25 at 10:02 am
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