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re: Is it still Paul Mainieri fault??

Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:06 pm to
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:06 pm to
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Is it still Paul Mainieri fault??


Is what, exactly, still Paul’s fault? That we lost a baseball game today? That we lost one last night? That we’ve been eliminated from the SEC Tournament? That we’re not undefeated? That we haven’t advanced to the College World Series 2 weeks before it’s even possible? What do you mean by “fault?” Be specific.
Posted by Sleepy_Tiger
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Aug 2021
10701 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:10 pm to
Replying as an LSU fan you’re a fricking idiot yes it is the recruiting was not up to par
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 7:12 pm
Posted by LSU_USMC
Virginia
Member since Sep 2005
387 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 7:23 pm to
Is it possible that losing Berry, Doughty, and Dugas creates holes in the lineup that opposing pitchers can take advantage of really? You lose those hitters and others aren’t protected in the lineup now. I think that’s why the lineup is what it is, which has caused a lot of complaints.

Errors lose games at times yes. But losing protection in the lineup sucks worse. I’d pitch to contact all day with Cranford for example but pitch around Crews. When that happens the Crews’ if the world press to try to make something happens.

Pitching isn’t elite but it isn’t “bad”. I think if we can get the lineup healthy you’ll see a better showing.

It’ll come down to defense and scoring more than 2 runs a game for sure. Our pitching isn’t horrible. Just needs a protected lineup that offers run support against good opposing arms.

Just gotta get healthy and make some adjustments.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17041 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:30 pm to
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Imagine this team without Berry, Ryzleman and Cooper

I hate when people do this shite.

Imagine this team without Crews, Doughty, Morgan, and Hilliard. You’re just naming key players and saying imagine this team without them. No shite they’d be worse.
Posted by intellligent
Member since Jun 2019
333 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:34 pm to
mainieri's* fault

An* LSU fan

Go back to grade school you count
Posted by SofaKingTrill
Member since Mar 2008
8047 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:36 pm to
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Lineup, no.


The only players that could've started that were on the bench were Merrifield (hasn't been great but still came in late), Stevenson (hasn't been great but still came in late), and Travinski (has been really bad but still came in late).

And whoever listed Gio along with Crews, Morgan, Doughty, and Dugas.....lol Gio has been bad outside of one season for LSU. That was the covid year...he played 13 games and hit 0.351.
This post was edited on 5/28/22 at 8:57 pm
Posted by Jack Daniel
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 8:38 pm to
My point was that this team would be dog shite with Mainieri players only.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:09 pm to
Thats not what I'm talking about. We make basic fundamental errors. These guys have all been playing infield for 10+ years of their life and were all the best the whole time and the fundamentals of playing SS or 2nd never really change.

Errors happen but being worst in the league fielding can't be twisted into the last guys fault.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:17 pm to
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Thats not what I'm talking about. We make basic fundamental errors. These guys have all been playing infield for 10+ years of their life and were all the best the whole time and the fundamentals of playing SS or 2nd never really change.

Errors happen but being worst in the league fielding can't be twisted into the last guys fault.


Who was a good fielder under PM?
Mikazzo
Morgan
Crews
Doughty was ok at third, but at second he wasn’t under PM.
PM didn’t coach them to make errors, but he didn’t leave many good defensive players who could hit.
Remember in Mainieri’s last year he started six second baseman. He couldn’t find a third baseman at first. Thompson was the SS but he wasn’t good. He’s worse now, but he never was good under PM.
Now JJ should get done if the blame, he’d the coach; but it’s not like he took a bunch of golden glove guys and made them worse.
Posted by Pop
Member since Feb 2013
1015 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:21 pm to
All you assholes want to do is run somebody down. Get over it. Move on from where we are. Every thread turns into bashing an ex or current coach or player. Some pathetic human beings in here.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17041 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:22 pm to
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Doughty was ok at third, but at second he wasn’t under PM.

That’s why PM had him at 3rd and not 2nd
quote:

He couldn’t find a third baseman at first.

Teams do this all the time at the beginning of the year. Johnson did it at multiple positions this year.
quote:

it’s not like he took a bunch of golden glove guys and made them worse.

Nobody is saying this. But guys have gotten worse defensively this year and you can’t blame that on PM.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20118 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:29 pm to
Our fielding even with most of the same players was never this bad under CPM.

He once pulled Beau Jordan from LF in the middle of a game for not giving 100%.

Has anyone lost their job because of bad fielding this year?

Not blaming CJJ. He made a command decision to roll with bats. TBH, it looked like we arrived vs Vandy. Need to get healthy now and see how far we can go.

I'm excited about our chances host or not.
Posted by BourreTheDog
Member since May 2016
2725 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:50 pm to
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Is it still Paul Mainieri fault??


Take a good look at the Pitchers and you tell me. He quit recruiting after Alex Lange
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41758 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 9:55 pm to
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Nobody is saying this. But guys have gotten worse defensively this year and you can’t blame that on PM.


Baseball players seldom play on an even keel. Guys have up and down years.
Thompson us down from his first season, but he was never good to begin with. Who else got worse from last year on defense?
Morgan? No, all D team.
Doughty played a new position and improved there accorfing to his freshmen stats. But second is not a good spot for him.
Thompson got worse,
Berry was a DH.
Crews all D team.
Dugas? He didn’t play enough to say really.
Mikazzo, he didn’t play enough either.

The fact is we didn’t have a lot of defensive talent to begin with. The coach emphasized hitting and the poor D showed. Tthe injury to Milazzo which was big too.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Member since Jun 2011
29480 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:05 pm to
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Depth is part of the lineup, and that is clearly lacking.


I don’t think any team in country can lose guys like Berry and Doughty and not see a dramatic drop off.

It’s also silly to think that two 1am games won’t have an effect an even the best teams.


Blaming Jay is as silly as blaming Paul. At some point it just is what it is.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20118 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:09 pm to
quote:

He quit recruiting after Alex Lange


Walker, Hess, Henry, Hill, Marceaux, Labas were all post-Lange.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17041 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:09 pm to
Thompson and Doughty are the 2 worst defensive players in the SEC. That’s not good. I don’t get what point you’re trying to make. All I said was that you can’t blame the fact that this team got worse defensively on PM. You went on to name multiple players that have gotten worse defensively then name a couple of starters that are good defensively and have been hurt.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17041 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:13 pm to
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He quit recruiting after Alex Lange

You can’t possibly say this as you’re watching Dylan Crews, Tre Morgan, and Cade Doughty every night, and have also watched Jaden Hill, Cole Henry, Landon Marceaux, etc the past few years.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Member since Jan 2011
70991 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:14 pm to
I dont think there's really anything to blame on anybody right now. First year coach, didn't inherit much of a pitching staff, and IMO got better all year.

The fielding percentage sucks and that IMO is something to complain about and that falls on JJ. The guys out there all have the ability. Our positioning has been poor lately and we've made a lot of just plain stupid errors that costed us runs.

Give us a big arm Friday starter ala Alex Lange or healthy Jaden hill and we go deep IMO. The pitching staff we have has been very effectively used IMO.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
17041 posts
Posted on 5/28/22 at 10:24 pm to
Finally a logical post. The only two real complaints I have with Jay is the defense and the fact that we have had multiple extremely important games that the team has looked flat and gotten embarrassed. Those 2 things are really important if you’re trying to make a run in Omaha. Besides those 2 things I think Johnson has done a really good job this year.
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