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re: Is anyone disappointed that LSU can raise 15 mil to fire at Les?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:09 pm to Emiliooo
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:09 pm to Emiliooo
quote:If this is your point, then the issue isn't even a buyout. The main issue is college football getting to a point where OC/DC make over $1M. So each year teams are spending $5-10M per team on coaching salaries. Not to mention all the other money going toward facilities, recruiting trips, ect.
But, in my humble opinion, if you're able to raise 15mm for a coach, I feel like that money is better spent somewhere else.
I understand some people's problems with the amount of money spent on college athletics, but let's not make this about the donors and how they choose to spend their money.
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Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:13 pm to Adam Banks
I have written checks to the L.S.U. Arts and Sciences department in the past (albeit small ones totaling only a few thousand as I am not particularly rich). Not anymore. I see the elite universities as the incubators of the various PC/Universalist ideologies that are anathema to me and which trickle down to places like L.S.U. The stuff going on at Missouri and Yale is only the tip of the iceberg. When I went to L.S.U. many years ago, my professors were all politically liberal--nothing new there, but they didn't seem actively hostile to western civilization (except for one guy...). Now, there are so many radicals at the universities. I was curious how much of this had leaked into my old grad program and was disappointed to find a bunch of grievance studies drivel in the book assignments there. When I talk to recent liberal arts graduates, I get the same drivel spouted back at me so the indoctrination is working. I can't speak for other donors, but I don't see any reason to support people who seem to hate my culture and seem determined to eradicate it. Maybe a few of the big fish think the same way, maybe they just like being involved with the football program. I don't pretend to know.
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:15 pm to noonan
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I would think that those willing to put up the money are also able to profit from a better team. Business owners that make more money when the team is winning. That's the bottom line.
Is likely not just an entertainment issue. It's a business decision.
exactly. it's a business decision all around. Donors are more willing to give money to the school when the football team is elite. Kids want to go to school at LSU more from out of state (look at Alabama's OOS enrollment lately). Local businesses profit. The football program being good is good for everyone. Letting a football team that has shown it can be elite, piddle around and be average is a poor business decision. Looking at the totality of Les Miles' career and ignoring the current trajectory is ignorant. This is a new era wth more competition than ever and more money being invested in athletics than ever. You can not afford to be complacent or "nice." When Les signed his extension, he knew what his expectations were. He has not come even close to meeting them. He's a great guy and appreciate what he's done the past 11 years, but sometimes it's just time to move on
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:17 pm to lsufball19
Intelligent rebuttals rather than links to democratic underground and calls of socialist when we are discussing soliciting private donations. Air smells better than it tastes.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:21 pm to machismo64
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but they didn't seem actively hostile to western civilization
I went to LSU, and I don't remember many if any people in A&S being "actively hostile to western civilization".
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:22 pm to Adam Banks
When is the last time we sold out Tiger Stadium for a physics experiment?
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:24 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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If this is your point, then the issue isn't even a buyout. The main issue is college football getting to a point where OC/DC make over $1M. So each year teams are spending $5-10M per team on coaching salaries. Not to mention all the other money going toward facilities, recruiting trips, ect.
I understand some people's problems with the amount of money spent on college athletics, but let's not make this about the donors and how they choose to spend their money.
I'm not all too disgusted about the big money in college athletics, especially the coaches' salary aspect. There is no denying that athletics, particularly powerhouse programs, bring in a TON of money each year, and I think the head coach should take the lion's share because of the responsibility they face. Is there a problem with having money play such a big factor in college athletics? Yes, but that's not the argument for me here.
The second part of your post is though. And this is entirely my opinion, but if you choose to raise 15mm to buy out a coach, and that's the only place you put your money, then that speaks to your values. Again, I don't know how these donors spend their money, so I'm a little ignorant in my statement, but that doesn't change my hypothetical.
But, as you said, it's their choice to spend their money however they see fit. That's not in my control, so whatever. My biggest issue is whether they value buying out a coach is more worthwhile than other causes - with the caveat being that is their only use of their money.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:26 pm to lsufball19
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it's a business decision all around. Donors are more willing to give money to the school when the football team is elite
Don't you think LSU would attract OOS if it had a reputation as a good university? I would also imagine that having a great public research university in Louisiana would have many other economic benefits.
Let's be honest. This is not a "business decision". These people are football fans, and I'm not against them donating to the football team. It would just be nice if more people donated some of the money they give to TAF to the university.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:28 pm to Emiliooo
quote:Understood, but my point isn't about those donors. It's about all the other people who spend $500, $1000, $5000, $25,000 a year on LSU football and not on LSU academics. Why should they be given a pass in your eyes?
But, as you said, it's their choice to spend their money however they see fit. That's not in my control, so whatever. My biggest issue is whether they value buying out a coach is more worthwhile than other causes - with the caveat being that is their only use of their money.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:30 pm to Bayou Sam
Why exactly do you think it's not a business decision? Do you really think the people willing to put up millions just want entertainment on a couple Saturdays a year? People don't she'll out that kind of money if they aren't expecting a return on their investment.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:32 pm to lsufball19
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Business owners that make more money when the team is winning.
The people putting up the dough for this buyout are hardly business owners. More likely farmers whose crops are natural gas and oil. Most couldn't tell you where Middleton library is.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:33 pm to Adam Banks
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With all the budget crisis stuff does it make anyone else just a little disappointed that people would rather give 15 million at the drop of a hat to fire a successful nice guy coach?
It's more of a society thing, not just LSU. The NFL is ultra-successful because football is a massive commodity right now.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:33 pm to Adam Banks
For Christ's sake.....do your homework before spewing stupid shite
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:34 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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Understood, but my point isn't about those donors. It's about all the other people who spend $500, $1000, $5000, $25,000 a year on LSU football and not on LSU academics. Why should they be given a pass in your eyes?
They aren't, it's the same for me. I guess I missed your point then. If you're putting more money into college football than to other charitable organizations, then I believe your values are flawed.
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:50 pm to Jwho77
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As for the money trail, the boosters who are giving big money for football were only going to give that money for athletics.
I think that's his point
Posted on 11/23/15 at 3:57 pm to Adam Banks
quote:nope, not at all what I said. I said THIS money wouldn't go to LSU. I'm certain some also donate money to LSU no matter who's the football coach.
So what you are saying is theres millionaires in Louisiana who would only donate to LSU athletics and never give a dime to LSU academics
This post was edited on 11/23/15 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/23/15 at 5:30 pm to Tigerlaff
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:30 am to Adam Banks
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Why are people so dumb to realize that many schools have people that do something called donating to the school and not to athletics. LSU on its scholastic hand is begging for money while the athletic side can get 15 mil at the drop of the hat. Its a small state. These are the same hands exchanging money. Its robbing peter to pay paul.
It's called Tiger Athletic Foundation. People donate to it and it runs about a 30 million/yr profit. The LSU scholastic hand should be thankful because without the TAF, at a minimum, the school would be $19 million poorer. How can you be so dumb not to see that it isn't robbing Peter to pay Paul. If you have such a problem with it, why didn't you donate to the school and not the TAF?
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:34 am to Adam Banks
Our priorities ARE massively fricked up. La is a backwater shite hole. I still love my tigers and what's good about my state though.
I also think miles needs to go.
I also think miles needs to go.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:52 am
Posted on 11/24/15 at 10:39 am to Adam Banks
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the people who donate to TAF could donate to LSU.
But apparently don't. Or at least not enough to your liking. So put on the Big Boy pants and get over it.
This post was edited on 11/24/15 at 10:40 am
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