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re: In retrospect this team probably overachieved
Posted on 11/28/18 at 4:22 pm to earl keese
Posted on 11/28/18 at 4:22 pm to earl keese
I'm certainly not happy with the season, but you are willfully ignorant if you can't see a difference in the actual losses from 2017 to 2018.
The CFP voters certainly see a difference. And they are what matters.
The CFP voters certainly see a difference. And they are what matters.
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 4:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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9-3 is not overachieving at LSU. Not this year not ever.
LSU All time 791–415–47 (.650)
LSU 2018 9-3 (.75)
Posted on 11/28/18 at 4:38 pm to kengel2
this has got to be one of the dumbest posts on here, of all time.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 5:24 pm to RB10
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None of it has anything to do with just this season
Explicitly, the topic was this year's team has overachieved. Hence my reminder that topic was THIS year's team and not the 2017 team that lost to Troy and Ms St. Try to keep up. You can do it!
Posted on 11/28/18 at 5:27 pm to beauxroux
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Explicitly, the topic was this year's team has overachieved. Hence my reminder that topic was THIS year's team and not the 2017 team that lost to Troy and Ms St. Try to keep up. You can do it!
You may not be capable of having a secondary conversation in a thread, but other people are. I know it's difficult to comprehend, but do your best!
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 11/28/18 at 5:54 pm to Dave England
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Dave England
Coming from you I'll take it as thhats one of the smartest things ever written since youre an idiot.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 5:55 pm to Powerman
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No. It doesn't. It shits on your other post alluding to us not having young guys contribute.
No. This is my original post genius. Do your homework next time so you don't sound so stupid.
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LSU has more talent than 10 of the 12 teams on their schedule. How are they overachieving?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 7:51 am to kengel2
You posted LSU’s cumulative record from 125 YEARS OF FOOTBALL.
The mere fact you don’t understand how inane your comparison was speaks volumes.
The mere fact you don’t understand how inane your comparison was speaks volumes.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:07 am to Powerman
They did not overachieve.
What in the flying f has happened to LSU fans?
Everyone has injuries. It's football. Stop making excuses. That's actually not even a bad number of injuries. We were sort of blessed.
LSU did not beat anyone that they should not have, except for Georgia. And they more than made up for it by losing to teams they should not have. (Florida and a&m)
I just can't take this mentality of the fan base. I don't know what the f has happened to us..
It is depressing and we are 3 loss U.
1. DL was still improved from a season ago
2. WR was by far the strength of the offense heading into the season, with or without Giles
3. 5th best rush D in the SEC is alright. That's not bad or good.
Well YES.. Looking at the shite teams we played.. Of course I would.
Miami was shite..
Auburn was pure dog shite..
Arkansas is shite..
Ole miss has the worst D and gave us false hope on O..
Exactly what are you referring to as overachieving? LSU simply beat the bad teams, lost to freaking Felipe Franks and Kellen Mond.. and had a nice upset against UGA at home coming off a loss.
NOT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE IN HINDSIGHT.
Also, LSU had an upperclassman QB.. 7-5 was before Burrow.
Also we got FULTON back.. That was my biggest concern. The cornerback depth. The team got those two huge pieces before the season and they were both good for exactly 2-3 more wins.
You mention some really strange things. Even with all the hype I don't think anyone was really counting on Giles..
If anything, losing Drake Davis hurt us the most.. He was reportedly having a tremendous off-season.. and he was the home run threat we could use offensively.. Not Giles..
LSU should NEVER be considered to win only 7 games while established.. and those predictions were with McMillan projected as the starter..
It's so fricking frustrating seeing the excuses every year now. This was never this bad before.
Calling it now.. Next year it will be, well we lost our two best players on D.. We are young on D.. We don't have White and Greedy.. We aren't quite there.. We got a superstar rb.. but he's only a true freshman.. Next year is really our year..
We proceed to drop 3 games again. Good, but not satisfied season.. then everyone says.. well next year our defense will be more experienced.. and we got our super star rb as a soph with experience!
And then next season comes around and it's.. well, we are breaking in a new quarterback.. we will be better as he gains experience.. Next season is the year.
It's college football and it's always revolving.. You may lose a good player or two on each side of the ball. That's just the way it is... but at least it's not like we lost our QB.. or MLB/leader of the D..
What in the flying f has happened to LSU fans?
Everyone has injuries. It's football. Stop making excuses. That's actually not even a bad number of injuries. We were sort of blessed.
LSU did not beat anyone that they should not have, except for Georgia. And they more than made up for it by losing to teams they should not have. (Florida and a&m)
I just can't take this mentality of the fan base. I don't know what the f has happened to us..
It is depressing and we are 3 loss U.
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1. Chaisson would be injured in the first game and out for the year 2. Giles would be almost non existent in the passing game 3. We wind up with the 5th best rush defense in the SEC
1. DL was still improved from a season ago
2. WR was by far the strength of the offense heading into the season, with or without Giles
3. 5th best rush D in the SEC is alright. That's not bad or good.
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Would you have believed that LSU would be 9-3 with 2 out of those 3 losses being very competitive? And of all 9 wins only one was ever really in doubt (AU)
Well YES.. Looking at the shite teams we played.. Of course I would.
Miami was shite..
Auburn was pure dog shite..
Arkansas is shite..
Ole miss has the worst D and gave us false hope on O..
Exactly what are you referring to as overachieving? LSU simply beat the bad teams, lost to freaking Felipe Franks and Kellen Mond.. and had a nice upset against UGA at home coming off a loss.
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I wouldn't believe any of that for a second. I'd think the 7-5 predictions might be more believable
NOT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE IN HINDSIGHT.
Also, LSU had an upperclassman QB.. 7-5 was before Burrow.
Also we got FULTON back.. That was my biggest concern. The cornerback depth. The team got those two huge pieces before the season and they were both good for exactly 2-3 more wins.
You mention some really strange things. Even with all the hype I don't think anyone was really counting on Giles..
If anything, losing Drake Davis hurt us the most.. He was reportedly having a tremendous off-season.. and he was the home run threat we could use offensively.. Not Giles..
LSU should NEVER be considered to win only 7 games while established.. and those predictions were with McMillan projected as the starter..
It's so fricking frustrating seeing the excuses every year now. This was never this bad before.
Calling it now.. Next year it will be, well we lost our two best players on D.. We are young on D.. We don't have White and Greedy.. We aren't quite there.. We got a superstar rb.. but he's only a true freshman.. Next year is really our year..
We proceed to drop 3 games again. Good, but not satisfied season.. then everyone says.. well next year our defense will be more experienced.. and we got our super star rb as a soph with experience!
And then next season comes around and it's.. well, we are breaking in a new quarterback.. we will be better as he gains experience.. Next season is the year.
It's college football and it's always revolving.. You may lose a good player or two on each side of the ball. That's just the way it is... but at least it's not like we lost our QB.. or MLB/leader of the D..
Posted on 11/29/18 at 8:22 am to Powerman
I mean, you realize other teams go through shite too right?
Ed O is now 0-3 as Full Time HC versus Mullen and Fisher combined. If you include his interim time then he is 1-3.
That's very concerning concerning these coaches just wound up in better circumstances and are most likely on the incline..
My biggest fear has and will continue to be that we are simply good enough to get by, but never truly compete for championships..
And the thing is this. Just when you think you can get on board with O and the direction.. He loses a game in such conservative BS fashion..
Everyone prematurely says, well we going to get to 10 wins with this bowl win.. and boom.. we lose to ND because we settle for a fg and force them to go down the field for a TD to win and beat us.. Even though ND had SEVERAL starters out on D.. They were sooooooo depleted, okay? And you want to talk about LSU missing Chaisson.. ND was missing like 7 dudes on defense.. and our offense still couldn't light them up.. and because of our conservative approach it cost us, because they were finally able to reach down and pull out a drive to win..
That was such a shitty loss, but then excuses came out that it was a "meaningless bowl game." So obviously it's okay we are playing and losing in meaningless bowl games. That is fine.
Then this season things are looking great and what happens? Ed O goes into conservative mode against UF.. and boom we lose.. What does O do?? He gets his time ready for UGA and we pull off the upset at home. He says his biggest regret was going conservative vs Florida and he was not going to make that mistake again..
What happens?? He goes conservative against Alabama and E drops another goose egg vs Alabama (Same old same old) And then he goes conservative against a&m in OT.. when we had a tremendous opportunity to put them away.. 1st and goal, from like around the 7?? and not a SINGLE pass.. not one.. run run run kick..
Never mind both teams were struggling defending the pass..
Ed O at USC, at LSU interim, at LSU full time.. He wins a game he shouldn't, but he balances it off with the Troy-like games.. or the florida games twice now..
So until proven otherwise, I will expect a 100th-like offense (a&m crazy OT game helped skew these numbers from this I'm sure) and I will expect another 3 losses..
But once LSU got Burrow to transfer and got Fulton back for the season.. the 5 losses became silly. LSU was NEVER losing to Miami.. Miami was always over-rated and they proved to be absolutely atrocious.
It's a disappointing season with nothing really to build off of.. A bowl would could always set the tone for next season though. So, there's still that.. but I don't see any reason to assume we overachieved given just how bad the SEC is currently. We are not taking advantage of a very down SEC.
Just imagine is Florida gets back to what they once were.
Just imagine is Arkansas ever actually starts challenging us..
Just imagine if Ole Miss wasn't going through all those issues..
And I do not want to imagine a&m starting to beat us a program.. That shite hurts too much.
LSU should be on the same level as Georgia. No, I don't expect to win every game. I do expect LSU to be a 1 loss program.. or AT WORST a 2 loss program.. especially given just how bad the SEC is currently.
Ed O is now 0-3 as Full Time HC versus Mullen and Fisher combined. If you include his interim time then he is 1-3.
That's very concerning concerning these coaches just wound up in better circumstances and are most likely on the incline..
My biggest fear has and will continue to be that we are simply good enough to get by, but never truly compete for championships..
And the thing is this. Just when you think you can get on board with O and the direction.. He loses a game in such conservative BS fashion..
Everyone prematurely says, well we going to get to 10 wins with this bowl win.. and boom.. we lose to ND because we settle for a fg and force them to go down the field for a TD to win and beat us.. Even though ND had SEVERAL starters out on D.. They were sooooooo depleted, okay? And you want to talk about LSU missing Chaisson.. ND was missing like 7 dudes on defense.. and our offense still couldn't light them up.. and because of our conservative approach it cost us, because they were finally able to reach down and pull out a drive to win..
That was such a shitty loss, but then excuses came out that it was a "meaningless bowl game." So obviously it's okay we are playing and losing in meaningless bowl games. That is fine.
Then this season things are looking great and what happens? Ed O goes into conservative mode against UF.. and boom we lose.. What does O do?? He gets his time ready for UGA and we pull off the upset at home. He says his biggest regret was going conservative vs Florida and he was not going to make that mistake again..
What happens?? He goes conservative against Alabama and E drops another goose egg vs Alabama (Same old same old) And then he goes conservative against a&m in OT.. when we had a tremendous opportunity to put them away.. 1st and goal, from like around the 7?? and not a SINGLE pass.. not one.. run run run kick..
Never mind both teams were struggling defending the pass..
Ed O at USC, at LSU interim, at LSU full time.. He wins a game he shouldn't, but he balances it off with the Troy-like games.. or the florida games twice now..
So until proven otherwise, I will expect a 100th-like offense (a&m crazy OT game helped skew these numbers from this I'm sure) and I will expect another 3 losses..
But once LSU got Burrow to transfer and got Fulton back for the season.. the 5 losses became silly. LSU was NEVER losing to Miami.. Miami was always over-rated and they proved to be absolutely atrocious.
It's a disappointing season with nothing really to build off of.. A bowl would could always set the tone for next season though. So, there's still that.. but I don't see any reason to assume we overachieved given just how bad the SEC is currently. We are not taking advantage of a very down SEC.
Just imagine is Florida gets back to what they once were.
Just imagine is Arkansas ever actually starts challenging us..
Just imagine if Ole Miss wasn't going through all those issues..
And I do not want to imagine a&m starting to beat us a program.. That shite hurts too much.
LSU should be on the same level as Georgia. No, I don't expect to win every game. I do expect LSU to be a 1 loss program.. or AT WORST a 2 loss program.. especially given just how bad the SEC is currently.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:05 am to beauchristopher
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I don't know what the f has happened to us..
People who can't admit they were wrong about the horrendous hire of O and have to exponentially lower expectations so that his tenure can appear to not be a total failure. If a good coach were hired instead of O, these results would not be viewed as overachieving.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:11 am to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Well there were more P5 teams last year with less losses than us
The CFP voters certainly see a difference. And they are what matters.
This year we were the second highest ranked 9-3 team, last year we were the third highest ranked 9-3 team
Monumental improvement
This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:15 am to beauchristopher
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LSU did not beat anyone that they should not have, except for Georgia
Beau, what if I told you LSU was underdogs vs Miami (+3) & Auburn (+9.5).
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Everyone has injuries. It's football. Stop making excuses. That's actually not even a bad number of injuries. We were sort of blessed.
Beau, I won’t ask much of you but please find me one college football team that played as many offensive lineman as LSU did this year. Just one please little buddy.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:18 am to Powerman
Def overachieved!
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:20 am to lsupride87
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Monumental improvement
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This year we were the second highest ranked 9-3 team, last year we were the third highest ranked 9-3 team
Monumental probably not. But the margins are super slim when you’re talking about top 10 teams’ rankings
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:22 am to Draconian Sanctions
This roster with this schedule clearly overachieved relative to fan and pundit expectations.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:25 am to Lester Earl
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LSU did not beat anyone that they should not have, except for Georgia Beau, what if I told you LSU was underdogs vs Miami (+3) & Auburn (+9.5).
What if I told you those projections and lines were based on preseason opinions and not how those teams turned out ?
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:26 am to mhc4tigers
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This roster with this schedule clearly overachieved relative to fan and pundit expectations.
LSU had the 7th rated roster, talent wise, coming into the season. They finished 10th.
That's the opposite of overachieving with "this roster".
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:29 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Draconian Sanctions
9-3 is not overachieving at LSU. Not this year not ever.
Finally, someone else that refuses to accept mediocrity.
I'm tired of hearing excuses from this fan base to justify a bad season.
Posted on 11/29/18 at 9:30 am to H-Town Tiger
What if I told you that LSU was not expected to beat those teams?
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