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re: I'm sure 99.9% of the followers here would agree Burrow was the best QB to play at LSU but

Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:20 am to
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
14998 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:20 am to
The Ruston Rifle is clearly #2.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45882 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:26 am to
You won’t change my mind friend. College stats aren’t a great metric, especially across eras in CFB. Was Colt Brennan better than Tom Brady?

JR was talented almost beyond human capability. But he was notoriously aloof and lazy. Any roster… any era… I’d rather have Davey in the huddle with the game on the line. But you do you.
Posted by FtHuntTiger
Lafayette, LA
Member since Oct 2011
677 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:27 am to
Agree with others (including Belichick) who say Jones was the best pure passer I’ve ever seen. And for Burrow-like moxie, recall his reputed wink to Cholly Mac before tossing the last-second TD to Davis to beat Ole Miss.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464509 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:27 am to
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College stats aren’t a great metric,

Why not?

We're not judging guys at the same position based on how they perform on the field?

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especially across eras in CFB

Rohan and JR are contemporaries. Their success was under the same OC 5 years apart

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But he was notoriously aloof and lazy.

In the NFL. Not in college.

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
45882 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:29 am to
Ok, cool. I’ll be sure to check with you before I dare express an opinion in the future
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 11:30 am
Posted by Biko
Member since Jul 2022
470 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:23 pm to
#2 Jarrett Lee
#3 Sol Graves
#4 Jordan Jefferswag
#5 Jessie Daigle
#6 Chad Loup
#7 Craig Nall
#8 Danny Etling
#9 Mettenberger
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22628 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:32 pm to
I'd put Hodson one short click below Burrow. Hodson (with Burrow's supporting cast) would have been lethal.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47945 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:56 pm to
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Kind of becomes crazier when you look at his ypa with that completion rate.

People use the nfl version of JRuss to label his years at lsu. The 2006 version of jruss was one of,if not the ,best qb in cfb.
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:02 pm to
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Underwhelming


He was the number two draft pick in the NFL draft and played for 10 years.
Posted by SPEEDY
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Member since Dec 2003
86498 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:14 pm to
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Rohan Davey i think is ahead of Jamarcus. Jamarcus had tremendous talent and is up there but his decision making wasn’t all that great.



Comparing Rohan’s one season to Jamarcus’ last season:


……….…CMP……Y/A…..TD….INT….RATE
Davey…..59.1%…..9.1…..18…..10….146.5
Russell… 67.8%…..9.1…..28…..8…..167.0

Rohan deserves to be in the discussion for top 5, but in no way does he deserve to be ranked above JaMarcus
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
24542 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:19 pm to
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99.9%
id like to see the tards in the 0.1% stand up
Posted by Y A Tiger
Member since Aug 2021
64 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:19 pm to
There is no but in that sentence. BUT it was not "a different game" back then, it just had fewer rules, way less padding, and far tougher people playing it. Yeah, they were slower (and admittedly whiter), but very few modern players would last more than a few games in the NFL of the late '40s and early '50s, for example. The league had mostly been suspended during the war and the returning veterans who got back into a uniform had a very bad attitude. Piling on in the line was universal and pro wrestling tricks like gouging and biting at the bottom were common. It was not unheard of for players to break bones and continue playing. Sometimes all season long. For a few years college players were older, too, due to returning to school and using their eligibility, and the game they played wasn't much gentler. You think I'm kidding? Google it and find out. Point is that the forward pass was more or less invented by Sammy Baugh and Tittle was very similar to him in strength and athleticism, playing both offense and defense. Either of those men could win a Super Bowl today; Joe Burrow is one of the very few modern players that could compete with them at all. As for Bert Jones, his career at LSU was hamstrung by conservative coaching more than "playing a different game"; when he got to Baltimore, his first two seasons compared very favorably to Burrows' and if ownership had given him any support, he'd have won a few rings. Very much like Burrow's situation in Cincinnati right now.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47945 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:00 pm to
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Rohan deserves to be in the discussion for top 5, but in no way does he deserve to be ranked above JaMarcus


There is a portion of lsu fans that will never give JRuss his due.
He sucked in the nfl and had the audacity to wear a Bama Boy necklace while standing on a sideline of a game he wasnt playing in.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 1:08 am
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47945 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:02 pm to
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Either of those men could win a Super Bowl today; 


Tittle was 6 ft 190 lbs. He wouldnt make it through the season now a days.
Sammy baugh was 185 lbs.

Stop
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted by TigersJump
In a land far far away
Member since Feb 2018
3444 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:15 pm to
Jones is number 2 by a country mile. Ask Bill Belicheat what he thinks of Jones. As much as I can’t stand him, I’ll take his expert opinion over that of the Rant.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7672 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:57 pm to
"Tittle was 6 ft 190 lbs. He wouldnt make it through the season now a days."

Yeah, no one that size could play for two decades in the NFL, win a Super Bowl, and be a first ballot HOFer. Ever heard of Drew Brees?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
Bravo Romeo Lima Alpha
Member since Feb 2005
61342 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:04 pm to
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Based on what?



Based on talent. Bert Jones was a stud at LSU and at the NFL. He could throw the bomb on target. Bert Jones is without question #2.


Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7672 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:15 pm to
"College stats aren’t a great metric, especially across eras in CFB."

I completely agree because rules and offensive schemes have changed a ton over the years. Much better, in my opinion, to look at how players performed against the competition of their era and how they were viewed against that competition.

So, my rankings behind Burrow:

1. Jones - and I don't think this is close. Fourth in Heisman voting, Sporting News POY. 2nd overall pick in the draft.

2.Hodson - nowhere near Jones's talent, but an excellent QB for 4 years and racked up stats that were huge for his era. the sustained excellence over four years is why I have him over the next on the list.

3.Russell - For whatever reason, this was not a player I loved as much as I perhaps should have, maybe because it took him until his third year to really hit stride? In any case, he had an incredible jr. year, racked up fantastic numbers and won the Manning Award for top QB that year. And although I thought the Raiders were nuts for doing so, the fact is that he was the first pick in the draft.

4. Davey - one of my all-time LSU favorites and he helped bring the Tigers back to prominence. And dang could he get hot (Bama and the Sugar Bowl against Illinois were incredible).

5. YA - Totally different era, but I have to put him over some of my other favorites I personally witnessed. 2X first team all SEC, actually had great stats for the era, and was the sixth pick in the draft.
Posted by klrstix
Shreveport, LA
Member since Oct 2006
3490 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:31 pm to
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had the audacity to wear a Bama Boy necklace while standing on a sideline of a game he wasnt playing in.


Just in case you are not aware.. He is from Alabama...



Posted by midcitycid
Member since Nov 2008
876 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:38 pm to
Jeff Wickersham should be up there.

maybe Ryan Huffmann too.
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