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re: I'll give you the scoop on Key
Posted on 8/18/17 at 7:41 am to NamariTiger
Posted on 8/18/17 at 7:41 am to NamariTiger
quote:
Key had a torn rotator cuff but it wasn't a full tear. This injury usually happens from overuse of the tendon and constant physical contact to the shoulder socket. Key using that repetitive swim move and ripping motion is strenuous on the socket. This is why he wore the shoulder brace . This injury also usually occurs more in athletes with longer leaner limbs . This is primarily another reason why Key has bulked up to add more muscle and strength to his shoulders .
So was that the reason for his "leave of absence"?
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Posted on 8/18/17 at 7:43 am to NamariTiger
Like I said before. He will debut against Miss St.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 7:45 am to memphis tiger
Why is that in quotes? He took a leave of absence.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 8:19 am to NamariTiger
That is probably a good time frame for partial tear on a young healthy athelete. I had a full tear at 40 and recovery was close to a year before I could swing a golf club pain free.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 8:23 am to patnuh
quote:
can't take medical advice from a guy who puts a space between the end of sentences and periods.
I'm ok with it. Makes easier to read. I prefer the period in the proper spot, with a double space in between sentences.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 11:27 am to Clark W Griswold
Imo, it sounds more like he is going to be this years Leonard Fournette. In and out with a nagging "injury" and then a late season decision to save himself for the NFL. My only hope is that way make out as good as we did last year in having a better player at that position like we did with Guice.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:19 pm to NamariTiger
Right.
And he left the team, why?
And the team made no mention of this, why?
Nothing to see here. Just move along.
And he left the team, why?
And the team made no mention of this, why?
Nothing to see here. Just move along.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:23 pm to NamariTiger
The OP speaks the truth.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 12:45 pm to Sopraneaux
quote:
My only hope is that way make out as good as we did last year in having a better player at that position like we did with Guice.
A healthy Guice is an elite player. A healthy Fournette is a generational talent. The two are not the same.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:25 pm to NamariTiger
quote:
This injury also usually occurs more in athletes with longer leaner limbs . This is primarily another reason why Key has bulked up to add more muscle and strength to his shoulders .
So...does Tommy Moffit know about this? If so, was the best effort made to get the message to these athletes with longer leaner limbs that use the swim move on defense?
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:39 pm to CBP3110
quote:
Youre full of shite. He had a torn labrum. I know for fact. He also was set up through Andrews to rehab and not have surgery. But, influential people in his life talked him into surgery. Which he had it in Atlanta. That's why he didn't get surgery right away. He was supposed to stay on a rehab schedule through Andrews.
That's what I heard as well. Shoulder surgery both inside and outside of competitive sports is one of the tougher surgeries to fully heal from. LSU wasn't exactly kept in the loop on the decision to have the surgery so late. Not that I blame him, but it was a decision with an eye towards next year (i.e. the NFL) as opposed to this season.
I fully expect, when he plays, he will play hard. But there is a bigger picture to consider than just the 2017 LSU season.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:51 pm to tlsu15
quote:
A healthy Guice is an elite player. A healthy Fournette is a generational talent. The two are not the same.
I know it may have sounded like it but I wasn't trying to downplay Fournette's athletic prowess. I was just pointing out that his last season at LSU was a let down. And while it may just be my opinion and completely open to disagreement, I feel Guice is the superior running back.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:51 pm to tlsu15
quote:
A healthy Guice is an elite player. A healthy Fournette is a generational talent.
Fournette may be a generational athlete. However, you may be able to argue that Fournette isn't a better "running back" than Guice. Those two are not the same.
Now Guice wasn't the bell cow against Alabama, so his per carry average didn't get hurt by those to games. However, he's had a better ypc average than LF. Give him the same amount of carries LF had in 2015 (300) and Guice may very well be the single season record-holder. He was only ~600 yards off of Fournette's record on 117 less carries
Posted on 8/18/17 at 1:54 pm to NamariTiger
Actually, I believe that.
Posted on 8/18/17 at 2:02 pm to LeMarteau
Posted on 8/18/17 at 2:41 pm to NamariTiger
quote:thank you for posting something informative on the Rant without being a dick or a smart arse...a rare move.
amariTiger
Posted on 8/18/17 at 4:37 pm to NamariTiger
I'll jump in here and contribute (what little bit) I can...
Let me preface with my usual disclaimer, that in the case of Arden Key, I DO NOT have any inside information to his medical status. Of course, if I did, I would not be on here to discuss any of it. I'm just going to contribute what I can do the ongoing discussion as to his health and status, etc.
Some are claiming he had a partial rotator cuff tear, where others claim it was labrum. Let's start with the rotator cuff:
Yes, a mild rotator cuff tear, in most circumstances, will be attempted to be managed with P.T. and other means of rehab. While you cannot "fix" a rotator cuff tear through therapy/rehab, the idea is to strengthen the shoulder as much as possible in effort to be able to compensate for the lost integrity. (When doctors or therapists say they are waiting to see if it will "heal", they basically are looking for enough fibrosis (scar tissue) to form to help stabilize the lost integrity, if its only a small tear). These injuries are very case dependent. It depends on the severity of the tear, and the nature of the athlete's demands (his sport, the position he plays, etc., and therefore the expected loads and forces on injured rotator cuff). With Key playing primarily as a pass rusher, and him having to constantly fight to keep his outside arm free, and fight off blocks as a pass rusher, will place HUGE loads on his shoulders. This might be why it was decided upon to surgically repair vs. prolong things through therapy / rehab, with the possibility of him not making a satisfactory recovery, thus needing surgery, and jeopardizing him for next year's draft.
With a labrum tear, again, this depends largely on the severity of the tear. The most common labrum tear is the "SLAP lesion", with is where the Superior (top) aspect of the Labrum, is torn both Anterior(front) and Posterior (rear) to the articulation of the bicepital tendon attachment. As with the rotator cuff tear, rehab and PT will NOT fix a labrum, but might help compensate in a small loss of integrity strength. Similar to what I mentioned about the rotator cuff, a labrum tear is going to be difficult on a pass-rushing type of defender.
There is always the benefit vs. risk of opening up a shoulder for surgery (rotator cuff or labrum) to fix it, vs. the collateral damage and fibrosis which will be caused through surgery. On a young athlete with huge NFL aspirations, its certainly going to be a road full of tough decisions by Key and by his doctors and family.
I hope he was made aware of PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) treatments, and/or stem cell treatments. We have referred some athletes to clinics that do both PRP and stem cells on cases of different ligament sprains, tears, etc., and have seen great results. This is the most promising method to actually have healing take place in tissues that don't normally heal. Usually within 5-6 weeks post PRP/stem cell injections, athletes can start rehab and soon thereafter return to their sport. Again, it depends on the severity of the injury... it does have its limitations in application.
Ok, this is getting long, so I'll wrap it up... As a LSU Fan, I'm very concerned about him returning to play this year, as anyone. Key is a special player, and we'd love to see his game-changing talent wreak havoc on our opponents. He also needs to prove he is able to return from this injury in order to not drop hard in the draft.
I am, though, a little worried about him not being able to contribute much this year. Surgeries from either rotator cuff tears or labrum tears, can keep an athlete out for 3-6 months at times.
I remain optimistic... maybe his injuries were very minimal, and maybe his surgery was a very mild arthroscopic procedure. I pray for Key's health for his career, first and foremost, and then secondly for the enjoyment of the Tiger Nation! We should all do the same!
Let me preface with my usual disclaimer, that in the case of Arden Key, I DO NOT have any inside information to his medical status. Of course, if I did, I would not be on here to discuss any of it. I'm just going to contribute what I can do the ongoing discussion as to his health and status, etc.
Some are claiming he had a partial rotator cuff tear, where others claim it was labrum. Let's start with the rotator cuff:
Yes, a mild rotator cuff tear, in most circumstances, will be attempted to be managed with P.T. and other means of rehab. While you cannot "fix" a rotator cuff tear through therapy/rehab, the idea is to strengthen the shoulder as much as possible in effort to be able to compensate for the lost integrity. (When doctors or therapists say they are waiting to see if it will "heal", they basically are looking for enough fibrosis (scar tissue) to form to help stabilize the lost integrity, if its only a small tear). These injuries are very case dependent. It depends on the severity of the tear, and the nature of the athlete's demands (his sport, the position he plays, etc., and therefore the expected loads and forces on injured rotator cuff). With Key playing primarily as a pass rusher, and him having to constantly fight to keep his outside arm free, and fight off blocks as a pass rusher, will place HUGE loads on his shoulders. This might be why it was decided upon to surgically repair vs. prolong things through therapy / rehab, with the possibility of him not making a satisfactory recovery, thus needing surgery, and jeopardizing him for next year's draft.
With a labrum tear, again, this depends largely on the severity of the tear. The most common labrum tear is the "SLAP lesion", with is where the Superior (top) aspect of the Labrum, is torn both Anterior(front) and Posterior (rear) to the articulation of the bicepital tendon attachment. As with the rotator cuff tear, rehab and PT will NOT fix a labrum, but might help compensate in a small loss of integrity strength. Similar to what I mentioned about the rotator cuff, a labrum tear is going to be difficult on a pass-rushing type of defender.
There is always the benefit vs. risk of opening up a shoulder for surgery (rotator cuff or labrum) to fix it, vs. the collateral damage and fibrosis which will be caused through surgery. On a young athlete with huge NFL aspirations, its certainly going to be a road full of tough decisions by Key and by his doctors and family.
I hope he was made aware of PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) treatments, and/or stem cell treatments. We have referred some athletes to clinics that do both PRP and stem cells on cases of different ligament sprains, tears, etc., and have seen great results. This is the most promising method to actually have healing take place in tissues that don't normally heal. Usually within 5-6 weeks post PRP/stem cell injections, athletes can start rehab and soon thereafter return to their sport. Again, it depends on the severity of the injury... it does have its limitations in application.
Ok, this is getting long, so I'll wrap it up... As a LSU Fan, I'm very concerned about him returning to play this year, as anyone. Key is a special player, and we'd love to see his game-changing talent wreak havoc on our opponents. He also needs to prove he is able to return from this injury in order to not drop hard in the draft.
I am, though, a little worried about him not being able to contribute much this year. Surgeries from either rotator cuff tears or labrum tears, can keep an athlete out for 3-6 months at times.
I remain optimistic... maybe his injuries were very minimal, and maybe his surgery was a very mild arthroscopic procedure. I pray for Key's health for his career, first and foremost, and then secondly for the enjoyment of the Tiger Nation! We should all do the same!
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