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If you're looking for a coach to credit with LSU's success

Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:26 am
Posted by TDlurker
Member since Oct 2007
688 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:26 am
It's probably Skip Bertman more than Nick Saban. I was there. I still remember Skip's 2001 barnstorming tour. Fans were furious with the price of everything going up (to pay for Saban's salary + spending spree), but Bertman was lecturing us that the screws were only going to get tighter. I remember the "per seat" comparison to other programs that were flourishing at the time (LSU fans were getting a bargain!). I remember getting uncomfortable in my seat, squirming thinking "there's no way LSU fans will pay that much."

The point is, it was LSU's commitment to paying top dollar that enabled Saban to succeed here. It can't be done without an institution making that commitment. Not here, not in Alabama, not anywhere. The people crediting Saban for LSU's success as though he alone did this are fools. LSU made Saban. Not the other way around.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101359 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:29 am to
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The point is, it was LSU's commitment to paying top dollar that enabled Saban to succeed here. It can't be done without an institution making that commitment.


Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
44558 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:30 am to
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LSU made Saban. Not the other way around.


Let's just call it mutually beneficial and move on.
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
36951 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:34 am to
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LSU made Saban. Not the other way around.


Yes, LSU paid Saban the 3rd highest CFB HC salary to come to LSU after a 3-8 season because LSU was in such high demand.

The shite people convince themselves of to help them sleep at night is mind boggling.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
20988 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:34 am to
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Let's just call it mutually beneficial and move on.


Saban made the LSU administration realize its unique position in this state with its football talent and being the only D1 school. It was an epiphany for all of the LSU TAF administration. That lesson has never been forgotten.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8166 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:35 am to
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Saban made the LSU administration realize its unique position in this state with its football talent and being the only D1 school. It was an epiphany for all of the LSU TAF administration. That lesson has never been forgotten.


The sentiment of this isn't lost but LSU isn't the only "D1" school in Louisiana.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
20988 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:37 am to
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The sentiment of this isn't lost but LSU isn't the only "D1" school in Louisiana.


It was the only D1 school with a football program that mattered. let me correct my statement. It was the only national brand program.
Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
14098 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:38 am to
This is getting ridiculous.

Some people will convince themselves of anything to make LSU look better. I use to do that kind of shite when I was in college...then I grew up.
Posted by BAMBAM
Biloxi, MS
Member since Mar 2008
2364 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:38 am to
Skip had a lot to do with it but Saban was the one that demanded that we upgrade our facilities. Without his push for the football ops, upgrades to the old field armory building etc we wouldn’t have been able to stay on top of recruiting like we did when Les took over
Posted by BAMBAM
Biloxi, MS
Member since Mar 2008
2364 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:39 am to
At some point they were taking the football players by bus from the locker room to the practice fields and a lot of times the were walking
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8166 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:41 am to
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It was the only D1 school with a football program that mattered. let me correct my statement. It was the only national brand program.


That's fair. Like I said, the sentiment of what you said is correct - it took some figuring out that LSU was a sleeping giant and it had (and still has) a lot of advantages over other schools, including most of the ones in the SEC.
Posted by TDlurker
Member since Oct 2007
688 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:43 am to
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Saban made the LSU administration realize its unique position in this state with its football talent and being the only D1 school.
It was Dinardo who first had success recruiting New Orleans, and no "epiphany" was required - it was a giant flashing sign. No one needed Saban to realize that. The epiphany was that it wasn't going to work without spending top dollar on the best facilities and creating the best program.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7677 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:43 am to
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Y.A. Tittle


Bingo.
Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
4272 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:47 am to
Saban set the tone. Les Miles underachieved, even with 1.5 national championships. CEO hit the lottery. CBK will maintain and improve.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67589 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:47 am to
whoever made it so that the LSU head coach could make more than the governor should get as much credit as anyone for the success at LSU
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16410 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:48 am to
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Saban made the LSU administration realize its unique position in this state with its football talent and being the only D1 school. It was an epiphany for all of the LSU TAF administration. That lesson has never been forgotten.


Arnsparger brought this to light almost two decades before Saban.
Posted by DesertCajun
New Mexico
Member since Mar 2007
635 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:50 am to
Oh how I wish LSU fans could move on from Saban. The best part of his retirement will be opening Tiger Droppings and not seeing 2-3 sidebar articles about him
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101359 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:50 am to
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Arnsparger brought this to light almost two decades before Saban.


I'd credit Bob Broadhead. First guy to start dragging us out of a purely insular mentality, and the guy responsible for Arnsparger AND Skip getting here.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28328 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:52 am to
Saban saw the opportunity that LSU presented with its place in the SEC and, most importantly, easier access to great talent than what Michigan St. offered. However, he had a clear vision of what he thought it would take to make LSU a championship program and he was DEMANDING in getting the resources necessary to make that vision a reality. The AD and BOS weren't fully on board with that vision. However, Mark Emmert helped sway them. Since that time the mindset at LSU completely changed. But make no mistake. Bertman wasn't exactly someone who wanted to spend lavishly as an AD. He may have been the guy who had the cache to softly sell the fans on the significant cost increases that were set to come with the changing landscape of college football. But he wasn't the driving force.

Saban completely changed the football culture here. To his immense credit, Miles kept it going for a long time despite facing some really high expectations. Without the Saban hire LSU is probably, at best, Auburn. A program capable of a great season or two here an there, but always seemingly riding that roller coaster of good success and bad seasons. Until Orgeron thought himself to be one of the great minds in college football coaching, LSU went two decades without ever experiencing losing.

Posted by DesertCajun
New Mexico
Member since Mar 2007
635 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 9:52 am to
Any number of coaches at the time could have seen what Saban did and had the success he did. I give him credit for seeing it and taking advantage of it, but I do think LSU had a significant role in making Saban Saban
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