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re: If you think running spread taxes your defense
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:04 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:04 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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The point though is that the ability to score quickly doesn’t translate to always scoring quickly. Whereas the inability to move the chains does inevitably translate to short possessions.
We've been scoring very quickly though, so it does translate in our case. They've made a concerted effort to go ultra-fast in terms of tempo.
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Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:06 pm to The Mick
quote:See, this is the disconnect. Do we need to look at the defensive performance in the first half of last nights game? Yes. Were there issues not related to fatigue? Yes.
It’s just an excuse to pretend our D is perfectly fine right now.
But let's not hyperbole here. Nobody needs to be fired AND everything is not perfect. Both can be the truth.
ETA: I've spent way more time in this thread than necessary, so ya'll have fun.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:08 pm to Goldrush25
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Scoring very quickly and going 3 and out has the same effect on the defense. It's a short rest.
That loss in rest time is going to add up, especially if you're playing against a good offense like we saw vs Texas.
I read somewhere that stopping the opponent from long sustained drives allows the defense ample rest.
Probably a fortune cookie.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:13 pm to The Mick
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It’s just an excuse to pretend our D is perfectly fine right now
I think the D will be fine, but I’m not blaming an offense that scores for any of the D’s ugly spots.
It absolutely is an excuse.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:16 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Yea because in all the history of football there have been so many spread offenses with dominate defenses.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:21 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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If you think running spread taxes your defense
You are beyond help.
We scored 65 pts last night on 26 min of TOP... Northwestern State had south of 300 yds of offense and had the ball for 34 min.
LSU has 18 TD drives this year in three games that were under 3 min...
I think those stats back up the claim of the HUNH offense putting your defense on the field quickly.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:25 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Yeah having a top 75 offense was great. Remember all those times we struggled to score against top Ds but we all found solace in the fact that we won the TOP battle by 2 minutes?
Yeah, me neither.
The point of offense isn't TOP. It's to score points. Period.
Yeah, me neither.
The point of offense isn't TOP. It's to score points. Period.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:27 pm to UnAnon
And also pressuring the quarterback to make stupid decisions. You are absolutely right. Get secondary solved and we can beat anybody. But bringing pressure to the quarterback will help the secondary big time.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:30 pm to GetmorewithLes
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We scored 65 pts last night on 26 min of TOP... Northwestern State had south of 300 yds of offense and had the ball for 34 min.
LSU has 18 TD drives this year in three games that were under 3 min
Thanks for the substantial response. These are good stats, but let’s not leave out the PR for a TD — probably adds to TOP skew.
I think against UTx, they felt they needed to score. But they’ve not run tempo as consistently as ppl would have you believe.
Clock rules in football with run/pass/1st downs can create a stat-sheet illusion in terms of rest time. Is clocked TOP a more important metric than actual downtime? Hell, is total plays even a more important metric than downtime? (Ok yea probably, but that ratio has got to be considered)
Lastly let’s just say hypothetically that I’m completely wrong here... if you have to pick a scenario where you lose TOP because you can’t move the sticks VS losing it because you score too much too fast... who here isn’t taking the points?
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:36 pm to GetmorewithLes
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We scored 65 pts last night on 26 min of TOP... Northwestern State had south of 300 yds of offense and had the ball for 34 min.
LSU has 18 TD drives this year in three games that were under 3 min...
I think those stats back up the claim of the HUNH offense putting your defense on the field quickly.
NWst had the TOP edge at half 16:25 to 13:35. They moved the ball on multiple drives. The second half when we should be tired we shut them down bc we got stops instead of long drives.
Against UT we led in TOP at the half 16:45 to 13:15. Instead of us being fresh we give up long drives on the 1st possession for UT (19 plays) and the TOP shifts.
Neither case supports your narrative. We play a bend but not break style D. Keep everything in front and hope the offense makes mistakes. This opens us up to long drives if the opposing team can dink and dunk and methodically gain yards. We now have an offense that allows our D to take chances and play aggressive. Aranda needs to adjust and I think he will.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:38 pm to DeathByTossDive225
It’s the pace we are playing at. Texas is a spread team but they go a lot slower than we do
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:40 pm to Goldrush25
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We've been scoring very quickly though, so it does translate in our case.
They still have an option to slow it down if they want to though. I personally agree with the play to win strategy if you’ve got the stones and the horses.
My biggest point is this:
Even if you want to say I’m wrong — let’s say you have to choose between losing TOP because you can’t move the chains/keep your offense on the field VS losing TOP because you’re scoring too fast... I think everyone here takes the option that gives you points.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:40 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:I know you weren't asking me, but... the number snaps is the best indicator to me. Not ToP.
My only counterpoint to this would be “real time” vs “game time”. Do you quantify stress on athletes strictly by number of plays? Or do you account for the actual time spent on the sidelines between drives?
You can have 9 snaps in 2:40, or 3. Every snap is engaging and/or running. Standing around as they huddle and having time to get your people lined up is both less physically taxing and less stress due to having time to line up.
As a response to the thread in general...
Yes, this offense is going to affect our defense negatively.
But missed tackles due to poor angle (or 'want') is different than missed tackles due to being exhausted in the 2nd half. Same for assignments, or missed as the case may be. Exhaustion is going to affect that.
For us to pass judgement, you have to recognize which is which- bad play or exhaustion. The latter is something we now have to just accept due to the offense, the former is not LSU football.
Funny though, you play bad football on defense you'll be more tired and make even more errors due to exhaustion. That's what UT did to us. It was both.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:41 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Defense had a difficult time even against NWS in the first quarter, it has noting to do with being tired.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:44 pm to abellsujr
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We're doing no huddle, hurry up
Against Texas we were snapping the ball with less than 10 seconds on the play clock. The only time we’ve run uptempo was against GSU and a little bit last night
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:51 pm to I20goon
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As a response to the thread in general... Yes, this offense is going to affect our defense negatively
I always enjoy your posts I20, but I’m gonna agree to disagree this time.
Notsomuch that going too fast can’t affect your D — but that it doesn’t seem to be any more or less of a problem than when we couldn’t keep D off the field due to so many 3&outs.
At least this way we have an option to slow down (which they have done more than people realize) & we are awarded points.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 5:00 pm to DeathByTossDive225
So you are saying the spread taxed the defense early in first quarter
Posted on 9/15/19 at 5:12 pm to Higgysmalls
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So you are saying the spread taxed the defense early in first quarter
No sir, not saying that at all. I’m talking about the relationship between our style of offense & our defense.
I think people are really overblowing it because I seem to recall many instances in recent history where our offense couldn’t keep our defense off the field.
The only difference was we weren’t scoring points.
I also think TOP can be a useful way to manage a game but that it can be a misleading stat when it comes to actual rest/downtime because of NCAAF’s clock stoppage rules.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 5:19 pm to DeathByTossDive225
You are on an island here
Posted on 9/15/19 at 6:28 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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Lastly let’s just say hypothetically that I’m completely wrong here... if you have to pick a scenario where you lose TOP because you can’t move the sticks VS losing it because you score too much too fast... who here isn’t taking the points?
Only reason I had those stats handy was that this was a big talking point on the post game show last night with Hanny, Vincent, and Hester. Their point was that LSU is going to have to adjust their defensive approach/personnel to handle the short turnarounds.
So I guess that would make them all "beyond help"
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 6:29 pm
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