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If you think running spread taxes your defense
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:39 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:39 pm
You are beyond help.
The entire reason we all got tired of the Miles philosophy is because we couldn’t keep the defense off the flippin field against any team that stuffed the run.
TLDR: You need to be able to consistently pick up 1st downs to possess the football
In terms of “real time”, scoring usually rests your defense a little more than punting does... not to mention the whole *only one of these scenarios adds points* part.
In terms of “game time”, picking up first downs allows you to continue possessing the ball... which obviously gives you control of the clock — you can choose to press the defense with tempo or run clock by slowing it down... but neither of those things are dependent on whether or not you run spread or huddle or mix tempos.
Sure I’d like to see the defense tighten some things up too, but pointing to the offensive scheme/best strategic decision LSU football has made in a decade is COMPLETELY rantarded.
Did you guys miss the last 7 years? Someone explain.
How is scoring quickly any different from a truckload of 3&outs? ...other than you get points?
The entire reason we all got tired of the Miles philosophy is because we couldn’t keep the defense off the flippin field against any team that stuffed the run.
TLDR: You need to be able to consistently pick up 1st downs to possess the football
In terms of “real time”, scoring usually rests your defense a little more than punting does... not to mention the whole *only one of these scenarios adds points* part.
In terms of “game time”, picking up first downs allows you to continue possessing the ball... which obviously gives you control of the clock — you can choose to press the defense with tempo or run clock by slowing it down... but neither of those things are dependent on whether or not you run spread or huddle or mix tempos.
Sure I’d like to see the defense tighten some things up too, but pointing to the offensive scheme/best strategic decision LSU football has made in a decade is COMPLETELY rantarded.
Did you guys miss the last 7 years? Someone explain.
How is scoring quickly any different from a truckload of 3&outs? ...other than you get points?
This post was edited on 9/16/19 at 1:02 am
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Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:40 pm to DeathByTossDive225
It's one of the biggest myths around here
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:40 pm to DeathByTossDive225
K!! 
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:41 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Boy. So much nonsense in that post. So bad my dood.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:41 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Defense has to get stops
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:41 pm to DeathByTossDive225
whats important is playing complimentary football. If our secondary gets it together, scoring more points will help our defense cause we'll force opposing offenses to play to our strengths. The defense forcing short possessions allows our tempo and offense to put more pressure on theirs. and going on drives allows our defense to rest.
Shoring up our secondary and developing a run game is important to our championship run.
Shoring up our secondary and developing a run game is important to our championship run.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:45 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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The entire reason we all got tired of the Miles philosophy is because of the way WE COULD NEVER CONTROL T.O.P. against teams that could stop the run. Our defense couldn’t stay off the field.
Scoring very quickly and going 3 and out has the same effect on the defense. It's a short rest.
That loss in rest time is going to add up, especially if you're playing against a good offense like we saw vs Texas.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:46 pm to UnAnon
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Shoring up our secondary and developing a run game is important to our championship run
I think secondary will be fine. Would like to see d-line generate pressure without blitzes. Run game will make offense more dynamic, but if Burrow keeps completing ~3/4 passes they can run as much clock as they want.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:46 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Downvoters can suck it.
OP is absolutely 100 percent correct.
The defense doesn't have to get tired. If it wants to get off the field, it just has to do it's job.
Go back to the Spurier days at Florida. His offenses scored quickly and often. His defenses produced 3-and-outs like Keebler makes cookies.
NW started driving on us from the get go. It was not the offense's fault.
The only time it becomes an issue is if the defense gave up a lengthy drive and the offense can't give them a break.
Again, that's more on the defense for giving up the lengthy drive in the first place.
OP is absolutely 100 percent correct.
The defense doesn't have to get tired. If it wants to get off the field, it just has to do it's job.
Go back to the Spurier days at Florida. His offenses scored quickly and often. His defenses produced 3-and-outs like Keebler makes cookies.
NW started driving on us from the get go. It was not the offense's fault.
The only time it becomes an issue is if the defense gave up a lengthy drive and the offense can't give them a break.
Again, that's more on the defense for giving up the lengthy drive in the first place.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:47 pm to Goldrush25
quote:I know the OP can not be this dumb. This has to be a plant to keep the board active.
Scoring very quickly and going 3 and out has the same effect on the defense. It's a short rest.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:53 pm to abellsujr
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I know the OP can not be this dumb. This has to be a plant to keep the board active
So look... there’s some truth to this:
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Scoring very quickly and going 3 and out has the same effect on the defense
The point though is that the ability to score quickly doesn’t translate to always scoring quickly. Whereas the inability to move the chains does inevitably translate to short possessions.
Offensive effectiveness > style of offense
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:53 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Totally agree but I will admit I don’t know enough about football to understand how a defense playing 75 plays versus 95 plays wouldn’t cause them more fatigue.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:54 pm to DeathByTossDive225
The spread offense in and of itself doesn't tax your defense. I don't believe anyone thinks that.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:54 pm to DeathByTossDive225
quote:But that's what we're doting. We're scoring quickly. We're doing no huddle, hurry up, and scoring fast.
The point though is that the ability to score quickly doesn’t translate to always scoring quickly. Whereas the inability to move the chains DOES usually translate to short possessions.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:56 pm to DeathByTossDive225
Our defense played like crap to start the game. No excuse there.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:56 pm to slackster
quote:Yeah, I'm not sure what this OP is trying to say. He's arguing for us to not score fast? I really have no idea.
The spread offense in and of itself doesn't tax your defense. I don't believe anyone thinks that.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:58 pm to DeathByTossDive225
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You are beyond help.
You're right and wrong here.
You're right that ground and pound isn't good if you don't convert first downs. If a spread offense is the best way to convert first downs, great. If you score most times you have the ball? Great.
However, if you need to rest your defense between opposing team's possessions, it is not as effective with a spread/tempo. If your identity is to go fast, offensively, and your scoring slows down - the defense is going to feel it down the stretch.
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You need to be able to consistently pick up 1st downs to possess the football.
We're not that far apart on big picture analysis of this.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 3:58 pm to Clark W Griswold
quote:I completely agree the defense came out and played very poorly the first half. Nobody should dispute that at all.
Our defense played like crap to start the game. No excuse there.
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:01 pm to slackster
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The spread offense in and of itself doesn't tax your defense. I don't believe anyone thinks that
Idk man, I saw some weird takes on the “how much did old offense cover up defense” thread.
I think our defense will be fine. No need to neuter the offense. Ball control via pass-first is possible. I think the run game can improve as well, but do whatever works.
They’re playing their strengths on offense. Upperclassman QB & freak WRs. Occasionally suspect O-line. Do what you gotta do.
This post was edited on 9/15/19 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 9/15/19 at 4:03 pm to DeathByTossDive225
It’s just an excuse to pretend our D is perfectly fine right now.
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