re: If Saban Never Came to LSU...

He is father of LSU football success.

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I’m not wasting my time reading your wall of bullshite cherry-picked text.

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cbree88 - If anyone doubted my my "wall of text," the fact that you disagree with it is proof that it's accurate.

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It’s not just coincidence that a seismic shift suddenly happened when he showed up in 2000.

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It's certainly no coincidence. Emmert was named LSU Chancellor in 1999. Emmert established the Flagship Agenda. To fund the Flagship Agenda, Emmert needed fundraising. Fundraising at LSU required a successful football program. Emmert created a plan for a successful football program. Emmert hired Saban in 1999. Saban was one of the main cogs in Emmert's plan to have a successful LSU football program at LSU to fund his Flagship Agenda.

The timing is not coincidence. You merely fail to identify the arrival of the true architect of the success. Emmert arrived in 1999.

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You’re unbelievably delusional if you don’t think Nick Saban is responsible for LSU football’s sustained success of the past 24 years.

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Saban was responsible for most of LSU's success during the five years he was here because he was the head coach. Even for a couple of years after Saban left, the players Saban recruited during his five years at LSU certainly contributed to LSU's success. (Of course, many players recruited by Saban, like Matt Flynn who redshirted and then played third string while Saban was at LSU, were primarily developed after Saban left.)

But a former head coach does not recruit for the program. Saban was not responsible for Miles' or Orgeron's recruiting successes. The recruiting class in 2005, the first class after Saban left, had only 13 signees. Saban is not primarily responsible for LSU's success after he left. What is delusional is thinking Saban is responsible for LSU's success after he left, particularly while he was at Alabama recruiting Louisiana talent away from LSU. Thinking Saban is primarily responsible for LSU's success after he left is flat out Stockholm Syndrome.

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Dinardo went 4-7 and 3-8 the years before Saban showed up. He had the program in shambles just like when Curly was here.

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I never have, and I never will argue that DiNardo is the cause of LSU's current success. However, the program was not in shambles when DiNardo was here. DiNardo's tenure showed that LSU could have a very successful football program. DiNardo's tenure irrefutably proved that LSU would not have a successful program without significant investments in funding the program. Emmert recognized the reasons for DiNardo's failure. He developed a plan and got the funding for huge increases in coaches' salaries and an immense building construction project.

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Still not reading your useless wall of drivel.

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Thank you for promoting my post and bumping the thread nonetheless.

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you’re mocking me like a nice big retard

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I don't think you're a nice big retard. I have no idea if you're nice or big.

You got it right brother, all these people not believe in LSU but believing the Nick Saban. That's not a true tiger fan. I believe in LSU not a person

Bo Rein was the guy that was going to be the young coach. What would he have done? I really believe if Bill Arnsparger would have stayed, he had a great shot. He was like no other.

Gerry D was his own worst enemy. Had good players, just the overall failures.

Saban walked into a good one, no doubt. Tons of talent, tons in the state. Formed a great staff.

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I’m not wasting my time reading your wall of bullshite cherry-picked text.

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So you reject an argument without even knowing what it is? That’s quite a bold strategy there Cotton.

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You’re unbelievably delusional if you don’t think Nick Saban is responsible for LSU football’s sustained success of the past 24 years.

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Ok, so why hasn’t Michigan State had sustained success for the last 29 years simply because Nick Saban was their coach?

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It’s not just coincidence that a seismic shift suddenly happened when he showed up in 2000. Dinardo went 4-7 and 3-8 the years before Saban showed up. He had the program in shambles just like when Curly was here.

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If you had bothered to read the post, you would see that the guys argument is pretty much that Emmert made the decision that LSU had to be fully committed to supporting the program the right way, and that the hiring of a top notch coach in Saban was part of that plan. To use your words, it’s also wasn’t a coincidence that Saban was hired. LSU went out and made him one of the top 4 highest paid coaches in the country.

FWIW, I do think the other poster may have slightly downplayed Saban’s contributions, but it doesn’t invalidate his main point that without Emmert having the vision for the program and committing the money to facilities (etc) even if Saban was the coach he wouldn’t have had the same level of success.

I’d also say that Les Miles and Ed O winning National Championships at LSU was a result of the program building decisions that Emmert made.

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Would we be anywhere close to where we are now/The last 10+ years?

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Just think if LSU would have hired Spurrier when he wanted the job, would Saban have been a thought?

Best post on the Rant

Ever.

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If Saban Never Came to LSU.

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sidewalkside

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Turn your shitty thread around.

If LSU never hired Saban would anyone know who he is????

Goes both ways, LSU hired Saban, Saban went the the Professional league and did not succeed.

Without LSU Saban never gets hired by Miami and never gets hired by Bama

He fell into two states that crank out great athletes and Saban is and was a great recruiter

Without LSU Saban is in the big 10