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re: If Ohio State gets in over Penn State
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:20 am to GeauxLSU4
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:20 am to GeauxLSU4
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That's not entirely true. OSU has a better record than PSU for one and one of the most impressive resumes in college football.
Penn state has played 1 more game. And they will have both beaten the same amount of top 25 teams.
If Penn state doesn't get in, then I believe this selection committee is an epic failure and we should just go back to the BCS.
And by beating Ohio State, Penn state actually has the most impressive win over any of the top teams.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 9:24 am
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Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:20 am to Nutriaitch
If only record matters, then they should do away with the conference championship charade. What good does it do if it means nothing (as in the case with O State and Penn St.)
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:22 am to Cs
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Penn State won the head to head against Ohio State, won the division, and won the conference - and all of that will be ignored, because Ohio State is the bigger brand.
Uh, except OSU had a better overall record.
And much better quality wins.
And their sole loss to PSU was very close, on the road, and came from a blocked FG.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:23 am to Cs
This all started the first year of the playoffs. If it would have been Texas or Oklahoma instead of TCU and Baylor, I guarantee they would have picked one of them. Brand goes a long way in making these selections. This system was set up to fail by only creating 4 spots with 5 conferences.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:25 am to Weizenman
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Ohio State will compete for the National Championship, yet they did not win their division let alone their conference championship.
Just like Alabama in 2011. Like I said, none of that matters. Only $$$ and ratings do. And everyone wants to see Urban Meyer vs Nick Saban again. Which is why E$PN will set up the brackets to ensure that's the game we get!
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 9:26 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:25 am to atltiger6487
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Uh, except OSU had a better overall record.
And much better quality wins.
And their sole loss to PSU was very close, on the road, and came from a blocked FG.
They played 1 less game. Both will have beaten the same amount of top 25 teams, and Penn state has the best win.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:28 am to atltiger6487
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Uh, except OSU had a better overall record.
And much better quality wins.
And their sole loss to PSU was very close, on the road, and came from a blocked FG.
If LSU was sitting at 11-2 with a SEC Championship and regular season win over Alabama, who should get in - 11-2 LSU, or 11-1 Alabama?
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:29 am to schwartzy
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I would have my top 4 as 1. Alabama, 2. Clemson, 3. Washington, 4. Ohio State. Ohio State has the better record with wins at Oklahoma, vs. Michigan, at Wisconsin. Penn State had a great year, but the blowout to Michigan and loss to Pitt matters.
This is what it will be. Networks want Bama Clemson in Atlanta.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:29 am to Nutriaitch
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THEY LOST MORE GAMES
So you want Western Michigan in the playoff then? Because they didn't lose any!
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:30 am to Weizenman
Penn St. beat tOSU. So there's the conundrum.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:31 am to Nutriaitch
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THEY LOST MORE GAMES.
They also played one more game and won against a top 6 team.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:38 am to covlatiger
We wouldn't have this problem under the original BCS formula.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:53 am to dgnx6
Penn St has one more loss but also play one more game..why?..because Ohio St didnt qualify to play in the championship game that Penn St did because they lost to them. Had Ohio St played in the championship game and lost they would have the same amount of losses and then would be ranked below penn st and out of the playoff. So basically they benefited from not making and having to play for q conference championship but now get to play for a national championship. That isnt right.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 9:58 am to covlatiger
Penn State has a 39 point loss and a loss to Pitt. Ohio State has a fluke loss to PSU, a better record and a better resume. I'd vote Bama,OSU,Clemson,Washington.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:11 am to lsumatt
Not saying Penn St should get in but
USC didnt win their division or conference championship either
USC didnt win their division or conference championship either
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:17 am to Ponchy Tiger
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We wouldn't have this problem under the original BCS formula.
anybody who thinks the old BCS formula was better is just clueless. The BCS formula was 2/3 human polls (and not a "good" poll like the committee which engages in a lengthy and serious analysis of the teams). No, the human polls are the ones that sportswriters and "coaches" fill out in 5 minutes every week, with little real analysis.
The other 1/3 of the BCS formula was computers, but of course those are programmed by humans and tweaked every year to fit whatever criteria the particular computer programmer values.
The BCS was horribly flawed, but we all liked it because it was at least a way to get the top 2 ranked teams to play each other, instead of them playing in different bowls due to different conference tie-ins.
The committee approach is light-years better than the terrible BCS formula.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:21 am to covlatiger
Bama
Clemson
Penn St
OSU
OSU would beat Washington on neutral field
dont matter, none of them will beat the gumps.
Clemson
Penn St
OSU
OSU would beat Washington on neutral field
dont matter, none of them will beat the gumps.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 10:23 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:26 am to Weizenman
The SEC started a championship to help them get a team in the argument of the top 2 in the nation. They believed in their depth and resume'. Now, there is no point to championship game and when we move to an 8 team playoff, even less of a chance. All you are doing is handing out a loss to one of the teams in your conference that really couldn't afford another loss. Nobody believes that Wisky or Penn State are better than Michigan or Ohio State, no matter what has happened throughout the year. We had a system that worked, without human bias, but humans didn't like they way it did not give them an opportunity to completely manipulate it.
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:26 am to Weizenman
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well Auburn did beat us, there is that.
Not really. Their clock operators failed to do their jobs, costing us a minute, and yet we still scored before the end of regulation.
The refs retroactively awarded Auburn the win. We won the game on the field even thought the cheated us out of a minute.
This post was edited on 12/4/16 at 10:27 am
Posted on 12/4/16 at 10:27 am to covlatiger
Nah, Ohio State resume is more impressive than PSU. the head to head would come into play had they had the same record and had PSU won more convincingly.
I think UM should get in before PSU. It's supposed to be the 4 best teams.
I think UM should get in before PSU. It's supposed to be the 4 best teams.
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