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re: If JaMarcus went the Matt Flynn rout
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:00 pm to Gravitiger
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:00 pm to Gravitiger
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So you're "that guy" huh? I am REALLY glad we don't sit by each other.
I only make two games a year and I always ending up sitting next to that guy. He usually yells the whole game loud enough for the whole section to hear about what he would have done for each play. Always bitching about something.
I'm still pretty amazed that the brain trust in the NFL are able to fck up a draft pick so bad like JR. The test and interviews I would think would show that there was probably going to be a problem.
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Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:50 pm to Broski
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I love how people assume LSU would have won it all in 06 with Flynn instead of JR. LSU did not lose to Auburn and Florida because of Russell. Russell was a better QB at LSU than Flynn.
This is the truth! While Flynn was hampered with injuries, he was no where near the qb JR was at LSU. Hence the 1st overall pick and te 7th round. Since Flynn has become a decent nfl qb , LSU fans have made it seem like he was great at LSU. They routinely say how JJ has sucked his entire career when in fact jj's 09 season was just as good stat wise as Flynn's 07 season. When I mention this FACT , most say ," we'll JJ took all those sacks". JJ had 8 more sacks than Flynn with a far worse running game.in 09 we ran for 170 as a team twice as ran for less than 50 yards 4 times.
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:50 pm to ottothewise
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I doubt that if you could take him back in a time machine he would hold out if he had it to do over again.
Of course he would hold out again. He knew he was getting one contract so he needed all of the guaranteed money he could get. He is actually VERY smart if you think about it. He retired with 36 million dollars before the age of 25 and didn't have to do much to get it. He gets to enjoy his life and not worry about injuries. I am not mad at him one bit.
Posted on 3/9/12 at 9:58 pm to Rittdog
That was one heck of a hypothetical
This post was edited on 3/9/12 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 3/10/12 at 1:29 am to Rittdog
Talent generally makes itself. Great talent and work makes bad situations good.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 4:00 am to ottothewise
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Flynn would move the chains
Your bottom line.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 12:51 pm to The Boat
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Dumb hypotheticals are dumb. There's a reason why Flynn didn't beat out Jamarcus for the job.
.......and there's a reason that Jefferson beat out Lee.
......and a reason 198 players were drafted ahead of Tom Brady.
......and a reason that Brian Brohm was drafted in the 2nd round the same year that the Packers took Flynn in the 7th.
The reason is that despite being able to quantify a players physical ability, the so called "experts" really cannot predict how a player will play at the next level and sometimes they flat out ignore a players's weakness because they fall so much in love with their strengths or vice versa. When you kneel at the 50 yard line like JR and throw a football the goalposts, a coach is going to find a way to get you on the field. When you watch Tom Brady run a 5.23 40 at the combine and rather physically unimpressive QB could not beat out Drew Henson at Michigan, you aren't going to spend a whole lot of time evaluating him.
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This is the truth! While Flynn was hampered with injuries, he was no where near the qb JR was at LSU.
And another truth is that Russell has no rings and a whole bunch of money that he collected on the presumption that he would be as successful in the NFL as he was at LSU while the Flynn has a NC ring, a Super Bowl ring and is about to cash in on the undeniable success he has had in his limited opportunities at the pro level.
This post was edited on 3/10/12 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/10/12 at 1:03 pm to LSU82BILL
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.......and there's a reason that Jefferson beat out Lee. ......and a reason 198 players were drafted ahead of Tom Brady. ......and a reason that Brian Brohm was drafted in the 2nd round the same year that the Packers took Flynn in the 7th. The reason is that despite being able to quantify a players physical ability, the so called "experts" really cannot predict how a player will play at the next level and sometimes they flat out ignore a players's weakness because they fall so much in love with their strengths or vice versa. When you kneel at the 50 yard line like JR and throw a football the goalposts, a coach is going to find a way to get you on the field. When you watch Tom Brady run a 5.23 40 at the combine and rather physically unimpressive QB could not beat out Drew Henson at Michigan, you aren't going to spend a whole lot of time evaluating him.
And after all that....JR was still a better qb at LSU than MF was. 2 coaching staffs saw this. Any fan who doesn't have a bias saw this. It's just how it was. And JR could have been a better NFL qb than MF had he desired to be. He didn't.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 1:54 pm to dgnx6
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I say the raiders was tbe worst team possi le fir jmarc, not only have they reched on a lot of 1st round picks, they also had to pay him that money for taking him 1st. And the team was already in shambles.
With Lane Kiffin as your head coach and Al Davis as your owner/GM.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 1:58 pm to geauxjo
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And after all that....JR was still a better qb at LSU than MF was. 2 coaching staffs saw this. Any fan who doesn't have a bias saw this. It's just how it was. And JR could have been a better NFL qb than MF had he desired to be. He didn't.
I don't have a bias and for that matter I'm not even disputing that JR was better at LSU than Flynn. JR had some gaudy stats in 2006. Let's not pretend that JR didn't have the good fortune of throwing to 2 WRs that were drafted in the 1st round who were pretty good at accumulating YAC....that he didn't come out in 3rd down situations in favor of RP like Flynn did and that the 2007 team had 162 more rushing attempts and averaged 50 rushing YPG more than 2006.
If you don't like the Russell-Flynn comparison, how about Leinart-Cassel? Sometimes coaches have no clue how to utilize a players abilities. Back in 1979, David Woodley split time as a senior. He threw 2 TDs and 6 INTs. Yet 3 years later he helped lead the Dolphins to the Super Bowl. I don't think it's a coincidence that Cholly Mac was fired after the 1979 season and Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history.
This post was edited on 3/10/12 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 3/10/12 at 2:15 pm to LSU82BILL
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If you don't like the Russell-Flynn comparison, how about Leinart-Cassel? Sometimes coaches have no clue how to utilize a players abilities. Back in 1979, David Woodley split time as a senior. He threw 2 TDs and 6 INTs. Yet 3 years later he helped lead the Dolphins to the Super Bowl. I don't think it's a coincidence that Cholly Mac was fired after the 1979 season and Don Shula is the winningest coach in NFL history.
Some guys don't really mature until later. Physically. Mentally. The whole deal. I think MF is one of those.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 2:24 pm to Rittdog
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Would he have been a much better pro?
Yes. When JR got drafted, I told many raider fan friends "we'll never know how good he could have been."
Posted on 3/10/12 at 2:33 pm to Rittdog
I hope they both somehow have great careers and lives. Flynn seems to want it more, and it is great to see things about to pay off for him.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 3:35 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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And you would be stupid. JJ in 09 had a higher qb rating than Flynn in 07. Flynn was very avg in 07.
Respectfully you keep saying this. When JJ was handed the position, CLM was coaching scared and JJ was managed. I would imagine that given the nature of the offenses, Flynn took a lot more chances in the passing game so comparing the two is not really appropriate.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 3:50 pm to geauxjo
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And JR could have been a better NFL qb than MF had he desired to be
obviously we'll never know, but this isn't necessarily a slam dunk argument, the fact is that JR's arm allowed him to compensate for some flaws in college that he couldn't get away with in the pros. The dude that worked with him before the draft told him this. Much of JR's success in college was on either crossing routes or stops/curls, etc. where he could see his man come open. He hit some vertical routes but wasn't as effective. A good example is the PI non-call on Early in the Auburn game, the throw was late and way short. Early was 5 yards behind everyone at one point on that route.
Flynn, on the other hand, has developed the ability to operate at the speed of the NFL game, thanks, in large part, to being with the Packers.
Obviously Flynn didn't beat out Russell at LSU, but I'm pretty comfortable saying that if JR had not been at LSU and Flynn was developed at the #1 spot, the records wouldn't have been any different.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 3:50 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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They routinely say how JJ has sucked his entire career when in fact jj's 09 season was just as good stat wise as Flynn's 07 season.
which is why stats are only a small part of the story for a qb...
Posted on 3/10/12 at 4:12 pm to ForeLSU
Flynn also had a running game. Flynn was not a good qb at LSU. Period.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 4:17 pm to FourZero
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why should I have gone? cause they have LSU across their chest? sorry, need more than that
JJ in 09 ha a higher yards per attempt so that throws what you said out the window.
Posted on 3/10/12 at 4:25 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Flynn was not a good qb at LSU. Period.
you're blinded by something...I won't speculate as to what
Posted on 3/10/12 at 7:01 pm to ForeLSU
Im not blinded by anything. I love Flynn, but I'm not gonna sit here and say he was a great qb at LSU because he wasn't. He had some awful games at LSU. Period. We use qb ratings to rate qb's over a period of time. All I did was state flynns qb rating was lower than JJ. If anything you are the blind one. Let me guess you thought Flynn was better than JRussel? Right?
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