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re: I see a lot of talk about Clemson's offensive philosophy.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 11:36 am to SpookeyTiger
Posted on 1/13/16 at 11:36 am to SpookeyTiger
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I believe LSU has as much if not more overall talent than Clemson.
Not in the coaching department last year.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 4:25 pm to purpleandgoldhaze
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Put Harris in the shotgun where he is most comfortable, and put LF and Guice together in the backfield.
This has got to happen. We have to quit running player sets on the field so that the defense knows what is coming by who is on the field.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 4:38 pm to purpleandgoldhaze
Listen, I've read a lot of BS on here the past few days putting Brandon Harris down when being compared to Deshaun Watson. Some even sayin Watson was much bigger than Harris, sayin he was as big as Vince Young. lol Wrong! Watson is the same size basically as Harris (6'2"-210). People on here always down LSU talent and all sayin they aren't as good as other athletes from other schools like they did with OBJ sayin he was no Desean Jackson or Tavon Austin when in fact I knew he was. And has now gone on to show that he is actually better than those guys. LSU gets the best athletes that only a school like Bama can compare to. The problem is those guys are not coached up while at LSU, and come out raw when they go to the pros. Once they get to the pros they explode with the great coaching they receive then.
Brandon Harris would be just as good if not better than a Watson if he played in that type of offense. To me he is a better runner than Watson and has a stronger arm. It's because he plays in such a confusing offense that requires him to think a lot that it takes away the kids effectiveness. And it's a shame because anyone can see he has all the tools (talent), but because he has looked bad in this lame offense people dump on him. And that is complete bullshite!
Brandon Harris would be just as good if not better than a Watson if he played in that type of offense. To me he is a better runner than Watson and has a stronger arm. It's because he plays in such a confusing offense that requires him to think a lot that it takes away the kids effectiveness. And it's a shame because anyone can see he has all the tools (talent), but because he has looked bad in this lame offense people dump on him. And that is complete bullshite!
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 4:44 pm
Posted on 1/13/16 at 6:48 pm to tubucoco
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Brandon Harris would be just as good if not better than a Watson if he played in that type of offense. To me he is a better runner than Watson and has a stronger arm. It's because he plays in such a confusing offense that requires him to think a lot that it takes away the kids effectiveness. And it's a shame because anyone can see he has all the tools (talent), but because he has looked bad in this lame offense people dump on him. And that is complete bullshite!
Our offense has seems to be unusually difficult to learn (many who actually defend it say it takes a QB 3-4 years to learn it) while at the same time being unusually simple to defend.
I've been told on this forum that our offense has very difficult route trees and difficult, pre snap and post snap QB reads amongst other things that make it difficult to master. All this, if it is the case, seems terribly uneffective and unnecessary.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 7:26 pm to boxcar willie
Yes, you simplfy the offense and let these kids play. Harris doesn't need to be doing none of that shite they have him doing. Looking over to the sidelines and all that crap. Just let the kid use his god given talents and play ball. If Harris was in Clemson's offense he would look just like Watson if not better. Swinney lets Watson play football and use his talents to take over games. Brandon Harris could have done the same things to Alabama last year in that game had he run a similar offense, but LSU being run crazy as they are tries to pound the ball with Fournette against these people and then have Harris pass the ball when it's absolutely necessary with Alabama knowing he has to pass. People sayin Watson is much better than Harris is nuts. This kid ran the football in HS like a deer and his rocket arm is much stronger than Watson's, but he gets to LSU and they completely take him out of his game and cram all this shite down him that he knows nothing about having him look like he can't play football anymore. And then he has to take all these insults which is totally unfair to him. If this kid is at Auburn or Clemson like as I mentioned earlier he's a Heisman trophy candidate.
This post was edited on 1/13/16 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 1/13/16 at 8:29 pm to purpleandgoldhaze
what i saw with all that offensive fire power was a team that still lost....granted special team breakdowns played a big part....more importantly was a Bama team who didn't go wild on the passing side of the ball, yet connected the pass plays when needed....the head-scratching failure of LSU to complete the seemingly simplest passes at times has contributed to our offensive woes more then play calling, but i do concede that there needs to be changes on the offensive side whether that is CCC remaining on the sideline or less predictability in the order plays are called vice an overhaul of the playbook.
Posted on 1/13/16 at 8:43 pm to boxcar willie
Our qbs aren't taught responsible football. It's a dictatorship run by Cam. He makes the checks and all the calls. He needs to put more trust in the qbs and let them actually learn the position.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 12:26 pm to easy money
Cam does what Miles tells him.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 1:31 pm to Stud Bud
Posted on 1/14/16 at 1:32 pm to Amused Lurker
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The shotgun does not play to our strengths. LF is a power, downhill runner that plants and cuts upfield. Not gonna happen in spread.
This. It would be Like Demarco Murray in the Eagles offense this year.....
Posted on 1/14/16 at 1:43 pm to Amused Lurker
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The shotgun does not play to our strengths. LF is a power, downhill runner that plants and cuts upfield. Not gonna happen in spread.
BS, and show's you know nothing about football. Inside Zone is Inside Zone. Outside Zone is Outside Zone. Gap run plays are gap run plays. Getting the ball in the shotgun is actually an advantage for RB's because they actually get the ball quicker and it allows them more time to set up the blocks and have vision. Freaking idiot people like this guy.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 4:11 pm to Stud Bud
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Watson would look like shite in our offense too.
Cameron has proved he will call more passes with good QB/WR execution.
What do you think Clemson's O would look like with QB throwing behind, over and at WR's feet?
There were many spread teams not playing Monday and it's not some free ticket to cfb final.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 4:32 pm to tubucoco
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Brandon Harris would be just as good if not better than a Watson if he played in that type of offense. To me he is a better runner than Watson and has a stronger arm
Watson is a better runner even while wearing a knee brace. Harris's arm might be stronger but Watson's is plenty strong and can actually hit a WR in the hands. Would Harris be better in Clemson's offense than in LSU's? Probably. Would he be better than Watson? No.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 4:35 pm to Amused Lurker
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The shotgun does not play to our strengths. LF is a power, downhill runner that plants and cuts upfield. Not gonna happen in spread.
There are different types of spread offenses. Take, e.g. Texas Tech, pure Air Raid pass heavy offense. Then look at Clemson, Ohio State, or Tom Herman's offense at Houston, they run power run concepts while spreading the defenders out. Fournette would have a monstrous year in a power spread offense (but he'd also have a monstrous year in just about any offense even if the defense has 10 guys in the box as we've seen.)
Posted on 1/14/16 at 4:43 pm to MarioBrothers
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The toss dive is actually an advantage for RB's because they actually get the ball quicker and it allows them more time to set up the blocks and have vision.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 4:49 pm to Mayhawman
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Cameron has proved he will call more passes with good QB/WR execution.
when people are talking about the problems with our offense, that we don't throw enough is just a small side issue, the problems are a lot more and bigger than "he will call more passes"
also when people say that our offense is not very QB friendly they aren't talking about just throwing more passes either.
Posted on 1/14/16 at 5:43 pm to DBU
quote:BullfrickinShit! LSU's offense is lethargic and QB's die in that offense. Watson would look just as terrible! Watson passes out of a spread/shotgun type offense and is relaxed in doing so. He can run when he chooses because he is in the spread or hand it off to the RB. And then he can pass out of the same formation by already being in the shotgun.
Would he be better than Watson? No.
Harris operated the same type of offense in HS and played the same as Watson. He was productive. He comes to LSU and looks like shite because they have him doing all type of shite. Rolling out and passing, running a traditional option like Miles likes to do sometimes( rolling out and keeping it or kickin it out to the RB), throwing the toss dive from a power handoff formation, lining up under center and dropping back to pass. Then they mix the spread in parts with their traditional power I formation that they run Fournette out of mostly. Are you getting all this?? In other words that would confuse the frick out of any QB and make them look bad because LSU doesn't know what the frick they wanna be on offense. Just got damn ridiculous!
Jennings looked bad before Harris and Jefferson before them, at least Lee looked fairly decent in his last season until Miles bizarrely canned him for the rest of the season because the man had a bad game against Bama. Ridiculous again! But Lee was mostly a passer so they couldn't use him in other formations or other offensive options. With him it was just line up, run your pro style and power I with him handing off mostly, and pasing when needed. But with these dual threat QB's they try to do all this crazy shite that gives them NO offensive identity, and destroys the OB's confidence. And that plays a part in disrupting a young QB's ability because by doing all this shite that they have Harris do, he's not focused on passing the ball like he should be. Passes fall short or sail high because he is thinking about all this shite they have him doing.
But he has to read shite on here about how he stinks passing the ball. Just totally unfair to that kid! Believe me if Harris operated a similar offense to Watson's where he doesn't have to think about all that other shite. Just run the spread! He would be just as effective as Watson. Putting up similar numbers, but instead he has to hear about how he's no Watson, and how Watson is a better runner and all this crap! lol
I agree with you on LF being a beast out of the spread. They wouldn't know when Harris would hand it off to him or keep it. I could see him ripping off long runs all the time.
This post was edited on 1/14/16 at 6:52 pm
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