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re: I don’t care how good former LSU pitchers were, none of them can compete with Skenes
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:10 am to CatfishJohn
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:10 am to CatfishJohn
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Skenes is better. The SEC he’s facing is much stronger and how much better he is than his peers is unreal.
It’s always funny watching people compare current greats to old greats and the mental machinations they take to discredit past players.
It’s an impossible comparison, because these players don’t exist in a vacuum.
How would Ben be today with more modern technology, training, etc? Ben also was a two sport player.
Skenes may be the best. But it has nothing to do with the time period.
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Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:52 am to ell_13
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Youre thinking of the mid 90s. The late 80s weren’t as hitter friendly as you think
No, I’m thinking of the 80’s like I said. I played in that era. It was a very hitter friendly era. Dudes hit bombs back in those days. Batting averages were insane. Just watch old CWS highlights.
But hey, thanks for telling me what I was thinking about. LMAO, jackass.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 9:56 am to ell_13
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The blow up didn’t happen till Easton took over the bat market. Ben wasn’t even facing the pop we’ve had the last 3 years.
Easton had taken over the bat market in the 80’s. That’s the only bat we used back then.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:04 am to Cannon856
Yep. First Easton I used was the classic silver with “Easton” in green. Then came the “Black Magic”. Loved that bat.
Those bats were explosive and sounded so much different than today’s bats.
They were basically the only bat in town in the mid-late 80’s.
Early ‘90’s I recall Louisville Sluggers TPX on the market. Another explosive bat.
Those bats were explosive and sounded so much different than today’s bats.
They were basically the only bat in town in the mid-late 80’s.
Early ‘90’s I recall Louisville Sluggers TPX on the market. Another explosive bat.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:17 am to AlwysATgr
He was a dominant major leaguer in the 90’s. The only way to say who is the best baseball player to ever play here is to compare their MLB careers. Especially when the bats have changed so much.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:33 am to 00 Tech Grad
100% SKENES is the best ever,,,,
Same for Crews!
Same for Crews!
Posted on 5/6/23 at 10:45 am to LSUFanHouston
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Big Ben and Nola had amazing multiple seasons. But none a single season like this.
I don’t know about bats and balls and how it affects the scoring overall this season but Nola had 2 seasons with a lower ERA than skenes currently has?
So a far as runs given up Nola had 2 like it
Posted on 5/6/23 at 12:01 pm to 00 Tech Grad
It will be hard to top Big Ben
Posted on 5/6/23 at 12:08 pm to 00 Tech Grad
We had other pitchers that dominated their season/timeframe in their own way. Ben was filthy, went number 1 overall super low era, and dominated the CWS. But Skenes strikeout to walk ratio is special. We are talking Clemons, Johnson, Ryan type pitcher in that sense. I would think about taking him over Crews if I had the top pick if it were me. Tough one.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 5/6/23 at 12:17 pm to CatfishJohn
I agree it's not a knock on McDonald but the SEC is much better now than it was then. LSU built the SEC in baseball and everyone tried to fall in place with us. Now it's super competitive.
Nola was quite dominant too in a very good SEC as well. Skenes dominates more than him because his stuff is nastier. Nola was special because he could command any corner of the plate and never lost control. He only struggled in 2 outings his entire 3 year career at LSU. Stony Brook and I believe it was Oklahoma State we played in a regional? I think the ump was squeezing in that game if I remember right and then Nola came back in that game to dominate regaining his composure.
Nola was quite dominant too in a very good SEC as well. Skenes dominates more than him because his stuff is nastier. Nola was special because he could command any corner of the plate and never lost control. He only struggled in 2 outings his entire 3 year career at LSU. Stony Brook and I believe it was Oklahoma State we played in a regional? I think the ump was squeezing in that game if I remember right and then Nola came back in that game to dominate regaining his composure.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 1:04 pm to 00 Tech Grad
What’s impressive to me, is the casualty in which he does it. No situation has seemed too big for him. Even after his 14th K last night, just the walk off and shrug. Love the guys moxy!
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 5/6/23 at 2:26 pm to 00 Tech Grad
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I don’t care how good former LSU pitchers were, none of them can compete with Skenes
Look up Paul Byrd - LSU and get back to me. BTW, he’s being honored by La Sports HOF at Friday Night’s game. Still holds single season win w/ 17.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 2:54 pm to 00 Tech Grad
He’s right ya know
Posted on 5/6/23 at 5:51 pm to ell_13
Again you’re wrong, you’re making guesses without a single fact as usual. Here are the facts contrary to your statements….. Covid year not included.
- “ETA: not to mention them playing 75+ games.”
The actual facts in average games per year.
1980s- 48.6 games per year
1990s- 52.3 games per year
2018-2022- 55.5 games per year
So you’re wrong here.
- “The blow up didn’t happen till Easton took over the bat market. Ben wasn’t even facing the pop we’ve had the last 3 years.”
Also wrong, here are the actual numbers.
1980s- .79 home runs per game
1990s- .79 home runs per game
2018-2022- .77 home runs per game
Your argument is made up and guess work, it doesn’t hold up to the slightest bit of data.
- “ETA: not to mention them playing 75+ games.”
The actual facts in average games per year.
1980s- 48.6 games per year
1990s- 52.3 games per year
2018-2022- 55.5 games per year
So you’re wrong here.
- “The blow up didn’t happen till Easton took over the bat market. Ben wasn’t even facing the pop we’ve had the last 3 years.”
Also wrong, here are the actual numbers.
1980s- .79 home runs per game
1990s- .79 home runs per game
2018-2022- .77 home runs per game
Your argument is made up and guess work, it doesn’t hold up to the slightest bit of data.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 5:55 pm
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:25 pm to Tiger1988
Good post, didn't know that history. Thanks
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:28 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Ben McDonald and Nola were better!
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:32 pm to Madking
quote:There was a drastic difference in the early 90’s and late 90’s.
1990s- .79 home runs per game
ETA: And in the season you mentioned Incaviglia hitting 48 HRs they absolutely did play 75 games. The link you’re using to quote numbers from are the average per each team who reported stats in each season.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:44 pm to 00 Tech Grad
I likely is the best pitcher we ever had, but I always loved it when Chad Jones entered a game with the dreadlocks of doom.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 6:56 pm to 00 Tech Grad
Nola, Sirotka, Ogea, Peever, Springer, McDonald were all Grade A Friday night studs, National Champs, big leaguers and at least one WS champion.
Skenes could be one of the best, if not the best. But he’s got to accomplish a few things before claiming that title.
Skenes could be one of the best, if not the best. But he’s got to accomplish a few things before claiming that title.
Posted on 5/6/23 at 7:14 pm to MOT
I mentioned 5 players from the 80s being in the top 10 alltime and his response was “them playing 75 games”. He dismissed those examples so I posted the overall stats of each era which debunked his statements.
This post was edited on 5/6/23 at 7:17 pm
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