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re: Hurd better than Floyd

Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:19 am to
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6412 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:19 am to
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I tried to tell them. People think Hurd is freshman UCLA Hurd. He's just not there yet.


Yes he is there. It's very convenient for your opinion, that Hurd happened to have a bad game today. Well Floyd was bad yesterday, and all of Tennessee's vaunted starters were bad this week. I'm not thrilled about it for our guys, but it happens.

I've seen Hurd at his best, and I've seen Floyd at his best. Floyd does not have the complete repertoire that Hurd has. Hurd can command four different pitches, and they are all outstanding. For whatever reason today, he barely used any of his secondaries, and didn't control the pitches he was throwing. I don't know why that happened. When he was dominating over the last couple of starts, you saw the depth and the placement of his pitches were exceptional. Today, they weren't.

You asked me in another post how I can say that Hurd was better than Floyd last year when he was hurt most of the year. Because he still threw 34 innings, and was utterly dominant in them. Floyd was not utterly dominant at any point the previous two years. He had some good games late last year, but outside of the game where he came in relief in the Ole Miss game, there was nothing resembling the type of ace performance that Hurd was giving UCLA.

You can talk about Hurd not facing good competition yet this year, before this weekend, but I can say the same about Floyd, and at least Hurd showed something at Texas in a hostile environment. So if we're going to punt on Hurd being what we thought he was because of today, then we have to do the same to Floyd. My opinion of neither is based on this weekend. Everyone can have a bad game. But if I'm going to choose between the two, I want the guy who has top 5 pick type of stuff, over the guy who's got two pitches and has much less margin for error. I think both will be fine. This is strictly an argument over who's better.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 3:34 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46966 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:35 am to
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I've seen Hurd at his best, and I've seen Floyd at his best.

This is the point. Hurd has better stuff by quite a bit. He had a bad game against Aggie, but hopefully those will happen less often as he settles in.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
23706 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:45 am to
I'm not going to keep going in circles with this.

Floyd - 2.25 ERA 0.80 WHIP 9 H 5 ER 24 K 7 BB

Hurd - 2.57 ERA 1.29 WHIP 17 H 6 ER 29 K 10 BB

I said yesterday it was splitting hairs between them, and the stats show that. I also said I believe Hurd is the better of the two, he's just not there yet.

If you want to just keep repeating rant narratives, or using Hurd at UCLA, before he missed almost an entire year of pitching, go for it. Just remember you are following the same rant that lost their minds because LSU lost one game this weekend.
Posted by sportsfan
Member since Feb 2011
3941 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:14 am to
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Floyd


quote:

All he has is a fastball.


Wanna know how I know you don't actually watch the games?
Posted by RastaTigah
Member since Feb 2020
249 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:21 am to
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Well, I'll take a "thrower" that is 3-0 with a 1.08 ERA coming into the day.


This is the correct stance on the matter.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9897 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:26 am to
Floyd and Hurd will be fine. Floyd needs to stay a little lower in the zone with his change up and off speed pitches with 2 strikes and go more high and in with his fastball with 2 strikes.

Hurd was just not himself yesterday. It will be interesting to see if this is how they call strikes the whole year because it was pretty tight and it seemed to get to both Hurd and Floyd a little bit.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
9787 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 10:10 am to
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It will be interesting to see if this is how they call strikes the whole year

This isn't getting enough attention. Nearly every pitcher this weekend for both teams (except Skenes) struggled with the umpires zones. They'll all be better with better umpiring. I am curious if the umps were like this in other SEC games this weekend. I didn't watch any other teams, but if so the SEC needs to get that straightened out
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9786 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:00 pm to
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Tennessee has an even better staff.


yes they do....

Flordia, Tenn and LSU are the top 3 teams in the nation easily...

I still think the Shores and Herring kids should get more shots... Shores has the juice and herring has the stuff.. Id throw Herring out there on sunday and watch him growup up real quick... that kid is the sleeper of the class... bet not much phases him... throw him out into the jungle and he will come back as Tarzan..
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2413 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:04 pm to
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Flordia, Tenn and LSU are the top 3 teams in the nation easily...


You realize Tennessee got swept by Missouri right?
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9786 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:20 pm to
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You realize Tennessee got swept by Missouri right?


they will get it together.. hopefully after we play them.. waaaay too talented to drop that much... Florida is still my darkhorse... theyre loaded as well...
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2413 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:22 pm to
I don't think Tennessee has the bats like the last 2 years. I think they could pull it together but I wouldn't say they are easily the top 3 teams with Florida and LSU. Not with Arkansas playing well and other teams not in the SEC who have been playing good ball.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9786 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:42 pm to
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ay they are easily the top 3 teams with Florida and LSU.


well i did mean the SEC but i can see how that could be seen as NCAA...


the Tenn roster has talent, i learned a long time ago not to sleep on talent in baseball... whether it comes together is a different story, i still think they will get better by the end of the year... that pitching staff is just too talented..

I think florida has both hitting and pitching... just like us... when they got that southern miss transfer i knew it would them and us..

Arky is playing well, theyre playing loose for sure.. not much to lose b/c they lost their #1 arm... theyre dangerous..

Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9897 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

This isn't getting enough attention. Nearly every pitcher this weekend for both teams (except Skenes) struggled with the umpires zones. They'll all be better with better umpiring. I am curious if the umps were like this in other SEC games this weekend. I didn't watch any other teams, but if so the SEC needs to get that straightened out


From what my brother in law told me during the Arkansas series the zone was not nearly as tight as our series. So that is why I'm curious to see how the zone is called in 3 or 4 series. It might just be that crew.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
70808 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:16 pm to
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From what my brother in law told me during the Arkansas series the zone was not nearly as tight as our series. So that is why I'm curious to see how the zone is called in 3 or 4 series. It might just be that crew.



Fun stat

From the Arkansas-Auburn series there were 24 total walks between the 2 teams

A&M walked 24 LSU Tigers this past weekend

We had our fair share too at 16...40 total walks compared to 24 in that SEC series

Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9897 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:24 pm to
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Fun stat

From the Arkansas-Auburn series there were 24 total walks between the 2 teams

A&M walked 24 LSU Tigers this past weekend


That is a telling stat. Curious to see how that plays out over the course of the season. Really curious when we get that same crew if the numbers are the same as the A&M series.
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9786 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 3:30 pm to
i thought his zone was tight for sure...
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
10491 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 6:49 pm to
Well it’s obvious you don’t know what you are talking about. Because Floyd has 3 pitches and he’s good at all 3
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
25505 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 7:02 pm to
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Floyd and Hurd will be fine.


Yep, and I trust the guy that successfully ran a major league pitching roster to figure it out.

But 2 things, Hurd is not where he was at UCLA and Floyds second pitch needs to get better.
Posted by IM_4_LSU
Augusta, GA
Member since Mar 2014
9897 posts
Posted on 3/21/23 at 8:09 am to
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But 2 things, Hurd is not where he was at UCLA and Floyds second pitch needs to get better.


Hurd is not far off where he needs to be but he will continue to get better with working with WJ and getting more innings.

As for Floyd is off speed pitches just need to stay lower in the zone especially with 2 strikes. He was leaving them a little high in the zone and the Aggies took advantage of it and hit him. Thats a small adjustment that he can easily make. I'm sure WJ is already implementing something to get that fixed for this weekend.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86734 posts
Posted on 4/22/23 at 4:29 pm to
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