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re: How was ole’ Paul’s talent evaluation so far off with Reid?
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:08 am to lsupride87
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:08 am to lsupride87
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He wasnt
With the information in hand, who would everyone have cut instead of Reid?
He shouldn't have put Tirsch on the roster.
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Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:08 am to lsupride87
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Not sure why we have to "blame" anyone.
It is what our society does best. We love to be outraged.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:13 am to lsupride87
A player that reaches base 45% of the time is valuable regardless of his other skills.
You throw in that he can play multiple positions and can hit left handed, it was definitely a head scratcher that he was cut.
You throw in that he can play multiple positions and can hit left handed, it was definitely a head scratcher that he was cut.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:14 am to doubleb
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He shouldn't have put Tirsch on the roster.
Kirsch, but yes. This is the most reasonable stance, IMO.
Kirsch was essentially looked at as a back up infielder like Reid was, but with 3 more years of eligibility. The way we're recruiting, I don't really see the value in filling that roster spot with someone you don't really expect to contribute. Reid had a track record and had proven that he could contribute. He's way outpacing expectations this year, which is awesome.
Also good to see him finally hit the ball over the fence.
ETA: Additionally, there was no mandate to get down to 35 spots before the fall. So cutting Reid when he did wasn't necessary. I can see the side of doing it before the semester starts in case he wanted to transfer somewhere else to finish his career, but you could just ask him if he wanted to do that or compete for a spot.
As it was, we were going through fall practices with managers playing the infield sometimes. They could have ended up with the same result but with a better process.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 9:21 am
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:17 am to TigerLunatik
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It was a gamble and had another spot not become available, CPM would have lost that gamble.
I get your point... but we would not have known how much of a lost gamble it was...bc Reid would not have been on any diamond to show us. Glad it worked out for Reid!
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:17 am to Lester Earl
quote:His number of at-bats in 2018 (60) provides a very small sample to make such a blanket statement when many of the other batters had over 150-200 at-bats.
and led the team in OBP.
Plus, technically, Reid did not lead the team in OBP.
Two other players with even fewer at-bats had higher OBP than Reid.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:25 am to LSURussian
Wasn’t a talent evaluation it was an attitude evaluation
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:32 am to LSURussian
Reid battled Slaughter for the third base spot last season. He was given every opportunity and he couldn't beat Slaughter out. Initially it was close, but Slaughter began to show the power we all knew he had and won the position.
Reid did not show as well last year as he did in his freshman season. If he had, he probably would have beaten out Slaughter.
PM gives a player multiple chances to prove themselves. Reid just got beat out last year.
PM made a mistake on Tirsch, and put him in the roster and cut Reid. He admitted his error and luckily for the team and Chris Reid fans he got a do over.
Reid did not show as well last year as he did in his freshman season. If he had, he probably would have beaten out Slaughter.
PM gives a player multiple chances to prove themselves. Reid just got beat out last year.
PM made a mistake on Tirsch, and put him in the roster and cut Reid. He admitted his error and luckily for the team and Chris Reid fans he got a do over.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:34 am to ProjectP2294
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Kirsch, but yes. This is the most reasonable stance, IMO.
Kirsch was essentially looked at as a back up infielder like Reid was, but with 3 more years of eligibility. The way we're recruiting, I don't really see the value in filling that roster spot with someone you don't really expect to contribute. Reid had a track record and had proven that he could contribute. He's way outpacing expectations this year, which is awesome.
Also good to see him finally hit the ball over the fence.
ETA: Additionally, there was no mandate to get down to 35 spots before the fall. So cutting Reid when he did wasn't necessary. I can see the side of doing it before the semester starts in case he wanted to transfer somewhere else to finish his career, but you could just ask him if he wanted to do that or compete for a spot.
As it was, we were going through fall practices with managers playing the infield sometimes. They could have ended up with the same result but with a better process.
I agree with alot of this. I think he wanted to give him the opportunity to play elsewhere with enough time to get a spot, if he had known about Labas none of this would have taken place anyway.
The Kirsch addition was always a question mark in my head as he I never penciled him in for any playing time this year or the years following.
It's worked thus far and I'm glad he was man enough to admit his mistake.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:34 am to LSURussian
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His number of at-bats in 2018 (60) provides a very small sample to make such a blanket statement when many of the other batters had over 150-200 at-bats.
His career OBP coming into this year was .420
Over 300 plate appearances. It's an elite trait he's always had
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:38 am to LSURussian
So LSU is going money ball now? Paul should've looked at his OBP, the quintessential money ball stat, and kept him?
We got lucky and I'll happily accept this new development of Chris Reid IF it continues, but you can't blame CPM for doing what he did
There's a reason Ben Zobrist and Daniel Murphy don't get 6 year 100 million dollar contracts, and it's because the .275-.300 BA with 40-60 RBI and Runs is your utility player, i.e. Chris Reid, Buzzy Haydel, and CPM, I'm sure with input from his assistants thought they had a better option at that utility spot. It didn't work out and he brought Reid back who apparently figured out how to hit an extra base hit now
We got lucky and I'll happily accept this new development of Chris Reid IF it continues, but you can't blame CPM for doing what he did
There's a reason Ben Zobrist and Daniel Murphy don't get 6 year 100 million dollar contracts, and it's because the .275-.300 BA with 40-60 RBI and Runs is your utility player, i.e. Chris Reid, Buzzy Haydel, and CPM, I'm sure with input from his assistants thought they had a better option at that utility spot. It didn't work out and he brought Reid back who apparently figured out how to hit an extra base hit now
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:49 am to StTiger
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So LSU is going money ball now? Paul should've looked at his OBP, the quintessential money ball stat, and kept him?
OBP was the main stat mentioned in Moneyball because it was the most undervalued stat at that time. But the concept around Moneyball was not to focus on OBP, it was to find the undervalued attribute that can help you win so that you can buy low. Within a year of that season, OBP became very overpriced.
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There's a reason Ben Zobrist and Daniel Murphy don't get 6 year 100 million dollar contracts, and it's because the .275-.300 BA with 40-60 RBI and Runs is your utility player, i.e. Chris Reid, Buzzy Haydel, and CPM, I'm sure with input from his assistants thought they had a better option at that utility spot. It didn't work out and he brought Reid back who apparently figured out how to hit an extra base hit now
I don't think there is a universe in which Buzzy Haydel and Chris Reid comp to Ben Zobrist.
ETA: Also, Chris Reid isn't a utility player. We don't have a player on the roster currently that we are asking to play as many positions as Zobrist or Murphy are asked to play. Also, Daniel Murphy hit .398 his junior year in college.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:53 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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do baseball players really need to be in that great of shape? All you have to do is run 90 feet.
nah man, speed isn’t important in baseball Posted on 3/21/19 at 9:53 am to TheGhostOfBigLee
Coaches are wrong sometimes.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:00 am to Mayhawman
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slow between pads
pads??
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:05 am to TigerAlum93
quote:THIS.
Coaches are wrong sometimes.
Plus, I believe Mainieri looked at his incoming signees and saw multiple players who could play on the infield who are much faster than Reid. And Mainieri, for right or wrong, puts a premium on speed when evaluating his players.
It's common knowledge that Reid is one of the slowest players on the team, if not THE slowest player on the team.
Reid even challenged Mainieri, jokingly, to a race to prove he could outrun his 61 year old coach.
As the old saying goes, "He hit one off the wall that he was able to stretch into a single...."
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:13 am to StTiger
Ben Zobrist's salary for the 4 yrs between 2016 - 2019 = $54 million. I'd say thats pretty valued.
This post was edited on 3/21/19 at 10:14 am
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:22 am to doubleb
I don't believe that. Paul was never going to take Slaughter out of the lineup and Jake's inconsistency showed all year. Someone with those tools was supposed to have a bigger impact, he just never did.
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:25 am to TheGhostOfBigLee
he's not talented is the thing. he's just a major grinder. he's a really smart player too
Posted on 3/21/19 at 10:28 am to diehard24
Zobrist is extremely overpaid for what he provides then.
He's legit .290 with 60 RBI and fewer runs
And the comparison of Buzzy and Reid to those two is how they are used by their team and yes Reid was a utility player because he could and has be plugged into other positions, used to give guys a day off or pinch hit. Until this year and a hot streak a couple years back (couple with the outstanding cold spell of Slaughter), he was never THE guy. And if I remember correctly, if O'Neal Laughlin (sp?) Didn't get hurt, I doubt Reid would have seen the field at all that year. I may have my seasons off.
By the way, Murphy is 1B, 2B, Zobrist is 2B OF. Hardly "so many positions"
He's legit .290 with 60 RBI and fewer runs
And the comparison of Buzzy and Reid to those two is how they are used by their team and yes Reid was a utility player because he could and has be plugged into other positions, used to give guys a day off or pinch hit. Until this year and a hot streak a couple years back (couple with the outstanding cold spell of Slaughter), he was never THE guy. And if I remember correctly, if O'Neal Laughlin (sp?) Didn't get hurt, I doubt Reid would have seen the field at all that year. I may have my seasons off.
By the way, Murphy is 1B, 2B, Zobrist is 2B OF. Hardly "so many positions"
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