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re: How on God's green Earth did LSU have 6 straight losing seasons
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:05 pm to Pilot Tiger
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:05 pm to Pilot Tiger
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lol what?? You could argue he is one of LSU's best 3 coaches of all time
what? Saban, Miles, Dietzel, Mac > Arnsparger. He was a great coach, but slacked off recruiting. His first couple of classes were basically on his name. The decline didn't start with him, it was Archer and Dean. ETA: the bulk of the great 87 team that Archer was 10-1-1 with was recruited by Stovall
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:07 pm to LSUfan1950
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he saw that the talent level was down, so he left. Arnsbarger was a complete waste.
dude you are just making stuff up. He wanted to be AD, but Dale Browbn and the good ole boy network stopped it, that's why he left to be AD at Florida. He was in his early 60's and ready to quit coaching. Recruiting was not his thing, he was a pro coach and didn't want to kiss the buts of 17 year olds.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:08 pm to LSUfan1950
quote:that's one aspect of coaching. he was a helluva coach otherwise. LSU's decline did not start with him
Arnsbarger could not recruit,
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:09 pm to tigerden851
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I think Bill Arnsbarger started the decline. He could really coach but could not recruit. He won with Jerry Stovall's players and then left the cupboard bare for Mike Archer when he left to go to Florida. It took a long time to recover from that and along with Hallman's hire, things went South
this
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:09 pm to Pilot Tiger
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that's one aspect of coaching
it is the most important aspect of being a collge coach. I don't care how good of an x and o's guy you are, you can't win with out talent.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:11 pm to H-Town Tiger
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dude you are just making stuff up. He wanted to be AD, but Dale Browbn and the good ole boy network stopped it, that's why he left to be AD at Florida. He was in his early 60's and ready to quit coaching. Recruiting was not his thing, he was a pro coach and didn't want to kiss the buts of 17 year olds.
Good coach, but could not recruit, this is why Arnsbarger left. He did not have the talent level he had when he took over for Coach Stovall. Coach Stovall recruited some talent.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:11 pm to Pilot Tiger
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You could argue he is one of LSU's best 3 coaches of all time.
So, which three are worse than Arnsparger:
Bernie Moore
Paul Dietzel
Charles McClendon
Nick Saban
Les Miles
(Just checking to see how high the "crazy" dial is set to, today)
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:14 pm to LSUfan1950
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but could not recruit
I'm not disputing that, but he left because he wanted the AD job and took it at UF, not because he saw the talent level was dropping.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:17 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Ok, what I said was you could argue. Do you know what that means? It doesn't quite mean I believe it, but I could see and understand a good arguement. I've talked with former players who played for him and they speak about him as one of the best defensive minds.
So, which three are worse than Arnsparger:
Bernie Moore
Paul Dietzel
Charles McClendon
Nick Saban
Les Miles
(Just checking to see how high the "crazy" dial is set to, today)
and BTW, even though he only coached briefly, his career winning pct is 2nd all time at LSU. and his SEC winning pct is the best all time. k thx
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:18 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I'm not disputing that, but he left because he wanted the AD job and took it at UF, not because he saw the talent level was dropping.
He left because the Talent level was dropping. He was making more money as the LSU Head Coach. He decline as the UF AD.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:20 pm to LSUfan1950
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A simple reason, the LSU Board of Superviors got rid of Coach Mac
I think it was time to Mac to go. He had not adjusted well to the changes (generation changes in players, and developments in offensive strategeies) that were occurring in college football. He had done as much for LSU as he could. He was loyal, but he wasn't going to get LSU into the upper tier of college football. In his last few years most of his wins were against weaker opponents, with victories against stronger teams on the schedule much more rare. It was the lack of competitiveness in the upper tier of the conference, that ultimately did him in.
LSU made what looked to be a stellar hire in Bo Rein, but that ended in tragedy of a lost plane before he could coach his first game. LSU struggled in coaching hires from that point, with Stovall, another good guy who just wasn't what we needed long term. Arnsparger, was an excellent coach, but didn't stay long enough, leaving to become UF AD. He was succeeded by Archer, another good man, but just not ready to take the head coaching position. Then came LSU's worst mistake at coaching hire, Hallman. A complete disaster. Dinardo showed promise, improved recruiting, decent coaching, improved on field performance, until he hired Tepper, sealing his fate at LSU. Saban came into LSU, recognizing he had strong talent base in place, and great potential for doing even better.
Despite doomsday predictions for a fall off in recruiting and as a competitive program, Miles has continued to keep LSU in the forefront of SEC programs and as a national contender.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:27 pm to LSUfan1950
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He left because the Talent level was dropping.
you need to provide some back up for that because that goes against every documented account I've heard. I was at LSU then too. You are just making stuff up to fit your view with your ridiculous comment about the BOS forcing out Mac leading to the 90's disaster. The team got better after Mac was gone.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:28 pm to tigerinridgeland
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tigerinridgeland
outstanding post.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:31 pm to Pilot Tiger
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his career winning pct is 2nd all time at LSU. and his SEC winning pct is the best all time. k thx
0-3 in Bowls
Never cracked 10 wins
Lost to Miami(OH). I'm probably as pissed at him about the Orange Bowl with Nebraska and leaving us with Archer, more than anything else.
I thought he was an excellent gameday coach and I do like the winning percentage and SEC success. I do not think he deserves mention among "The Five", however.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:32 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:neither did cholly mac and he only won 1 SEC title in 18 seasons
Never cracked 10 wins
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:35 pm to LSUfan1950
Arnsparger recruited the most talented classes in modern LSU history until the arrival of Saban. Lot's of NFL talent in this period. Archer was the worst recruiter in LSU, but there was probably a reason. Prop 48 started with his 1st year and we were completely unprepared to deal with it. Lot's of talented players couldn't get in and it lead to a lot of resentment. It's probably the biggest reason for the falling of the fence in later years.
I'm not defending his coaching, but Hallman inherited a huge pile of crap. He wasn't a bad recruiter. His first year was crap as it usually is for 1st year coaches; his 2nd and 3rd were okay; and the 4th went downhill because the writing was on the wall. These classes were the basis of DiNardo's early success.
I'm not defending his coaching, but Hallman inherited a huge pile of crap. He wasn't a bad recruiter. His first year was crap as it usually is for 1st year coaches; his 2nd and 3rd were okay; and the 4th went downhill because the writing was on the wall. These classes were the basis of DiNardo's early success.
This post was edited on 11/22/10 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:39 pm to Ace Midnight
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Never cracked 10 wins
I hate when people use this standard to critizie coaches from a past era when they played fewer games.
0-3 in bowls is a better critism. BA is not in the top 4.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:39 pm to Vito Andolini
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How on God's green Earth did LSU have 6 straight losing seasons
from 1989 - 1994?
Because the AD at the time was not willing to put forth the $$ for a proven head coach. He hired cheap coaches who did fairly well at below average programs and just hoped they flourished with LSU.
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:40 pm to Pilot Tiger
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neither did cholly mac and he only won 1 SEC title in 18 seasons
137 wins, 7 Bowl Wins, 12 Bowl Appearances
Near as I can calculate, Mac did about 12 to 15 times what Arnsparger did, in only 6 times the time.
Arnsparger is approximately equal to Biff Jones. He wasn't here long enough to accomplish anything, and he didn't.
Next...
Posted on 11/22/10 at 12:41 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I hate when people use this standard to critizie coaches from a past era when they played fewer games.
If Arnsparger had won either of his last two bowl games, he might be better regarded by those of us who were there - AND he would have cracked 10 wins. It's not unheard of - Miles does it all the time and nobody heaps praise on him.
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