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theunknownknight
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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Yeah I miscounted, but he was interim riding Miles coattails.
Miles still has a better record without cherrypicking the stats 72.1 > 71.4.
Even giving the '16 bowl game, Miles last season 9-3 > 10>4.


That's cool. I'm not comparing Miles' entire tenure to Orgeron nor am I defending Orgeron.

I'm really attacking the LSU admin's hiring process.


Marfa
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
He hasnt


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tigervet89
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
You're a fricking moron.


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Mayhawman
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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I'm really attacking the LSU admin's hiring process.
Understandable.


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Tiger Tracker
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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Orgeron is getting the same record for half the price


Your statement directly compares Orgeron to Les.

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It's not about Les STILL BEING HERE. It's about who else FKing and Alleva could have hired. Since the big boys just wanted to maintain they had a choice: 

Pay new big coach = Amount A 
Pay new cheap coach = Amount A divided by 2 

Orgeron is the cheap coach. 


How is he the cheap coach if:

1) he cost LSU more money from the firing of Les and his current buyout, but can't produce a better record than Les?

2) how is he cheaper than "new big coach" if we have to pay him his salary , $8MM buyout, and a new coach's salary... assuming they fire him at the end of 2018.

Les needed to go, but don't try to sell me that Orgeron will be "cheaper" in the long run.


Dallasgrowl
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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sorry, the sky is not falling. Orgeron is gonna win some and lose some in recruiting. when you are surrounded by Saban, Fisher, Herman and Sweeny you have a tough row to hoe.



That is why LSU should have fired the grass eating buffoon earlier than they did and then hired a tier one coach and obviously, not the non grass eating buffoon now on the sidelines.


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theunknownknight
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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How is he the cheap coach if:


...he's not the 6 million dollar coach LSU should have hired.

3 million/6 million = 1/2

It's not hard.


Dallasgrowl
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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...he's not the 6 million dollar coach LSU should have hired.

3 million/6 million = 1/2

It's not hard.


Yeah, there is more than just the head coach's salary that needs to be included. It should be the entire staff as LSU must pay 0s subordinates exorbitant salaries to cover up for his inability to do anything but speak in a South Louisiana accent.
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H-Town Tiger
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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We have had the same results win/loss wise under Orgeron as we did under late-Miles.


I hear ya. It’s still to small of a sample size, my guess is after this year the winning percentage will favor Miles last 4 years


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ShermanTxTiger
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
We have binders now. Les didn't have that.


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Tiger Tracker
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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...he's not the 6 million dollar coach LSU should have hired.

3 million/6 million = 1/2

It's not hard.


What about when we pay his $8MM plus buyout and then hire a $6MM coach. You say "it's not hard" yet you are missing major parts of the "cost" to hire O. I'm sorry but it's not as simple as he is paid less than half of a top level HC.


theunknownknight
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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What about when we pay his $8MM plus buyout and then hire a $6MM coach.


What’s that have to do with the price of a new coach? They’re paying that anyway no matter who they hired THEREFORE they went the cheaper route.
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Dallasgrowl
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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What’s that have to do with the price of a new coach?


Nothing, but LSU single handedly drove up the salaries of assistants by an enormous amount everywhere by hiring a bargain basement idiot to throw out retarded rhetoric at LSU press conferences.

On the surface, it sounds a whole lot like Miles, but he was a top shelf idiot from a salary perspective only. Besides, LSU didn't have to pay his coordinators nearly as much.
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Tiger Tracker
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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What’s that have to do with the price of a new coach?


The $8MM buyout is O's buyout not Miles.

My point was how is O cheaper if he ends up being fired? We paid less salary but will pay more in terms of buyouts for him and other staff he hired. On top of that we will hire a new HC and pay his salary. So the O hire will potentially cost us, Les' buyout, O's salary, O and staff buyouts, cost of a new HC.

If we installed a proper HC I doubt we're looking at a buyout scenario in year 2-3. So we paid more in the long term to get the same results or slightly better.

To ignore the cost of firing him and only look at his salary vs any other coach is not correct, and when you consider the cost of his buyout, O is not a cheaper option than the other top tier coaches.

So I am still unsure how you figure O is cheaper than keeping Les or hiring another HC who we won't have to fire and pay a buyout to him and his staff.


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boxcar willie
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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so in summery: 1. after the Troy loss the team displayed a grittiness ( reflection of there coach) that they haven't displayed in years under MIles. 2. Better clock managemanet 3. Best SEC record in years 4. Believes in passing the ball on offense 5. central philosophy on offense isn't "imposing ones will " on the defense. But rather lets use strategy and attack their weekness. If they are stacking the box then lets pass the ball or go around them, not show our "toughness' by running straight into them. 6.team looks more organized. NOt constantly running the play clock down still trying to figure out what is going on looking all confused. 7. is a 'players coach' as was Miles but still want to throw that in. The players like playing for him which will benefit him in recruiting just was tough this year with opposing coaches being able to show borderline recruits 'the rant' and the type culture and people they will be playing in front of. 8. recruited 'the beef' which has been a problem with Miles recruiting for years now. Probably other things if I thought about it but that is enough right there


since it keeps coming up in other threads and I don't feel like re writing it over and over


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boxcar willie
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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dit: but really out of all those things, #5 is the one that counts the most and the one that was the reason it was time for Miles to go. I loved Coach Miles but he just refused to change. Its a shame. If only he could have parted from Cameron and hired someone like Ensminger, for example, things could have been different here


and there also. Basically all you need to know.


nvasil1
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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If only he could have parted from Cameron and hired someone like Ensminger, for example, things could have been different here

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Basically all you need to know.

Nah, Cam is a much more accomplished OC than Ensminger.

And I don't believe the OC himself was ever the problem; Les simply didn't like to open it up if he didn't trust the QB. He didn't have a problem until the pick-6 extravaganza in 2008. After that season, the passing game was shut down if the QB wasn't making throws.

Cam tried. We lost the Ole Miss game in 2013 because we were chucking it around early and Mett threw 3 INTs in the first 4 drives. We tried throwing in the 2015 A&M and 2016 Wisconsin games, when jobs were insecure, but Harris couldn't hit the broadside of a barn.


djmicrobe
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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I am in the camp that says he (and every other coach, honestly) should be allowed more time before we call for his job.


You are driving to a light and the light is clearly RED. How much time should you allow yourself before you STOP?

In his first season O's team was not ready to play against Miss St and Troy.
Miles first year LSU's only regular season loss was an upset at home to #10 Tennessee on September 26. In the Tennessee game, after building a 21–0 lead at halftime, the Tigers failed to score another touchdown and lost to Tennessee by a score of 30–27 in overtime.
Miles shut LSU down in the second half. He was a good coach, but caused great harm to the offense since the beginning. He did have a good year Mettenberg's Sr. season.
It's obvious O is inconsistent as a coach. How much time does one need to see this?


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boxcar willie
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kenner
Member since Mar 2011
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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Nah, Cam is a much more accomplished OC than Ensminger.


accomplished ? who cares. Ensminger did much more with Cams offense than Cam ever did.
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pick-6 extravaganza in 2008. After that season, the passing game was shut down if the QB wasn't making throws.


the 20013 offense was nothing special. With the talent it had on board it really under performed. Would have loved to see Ensminger with that kind of talent to work wioth


GeauxTigerTM
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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
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Would have loved to see Ensminger with that kind of talent to work wioth


I absolutely adore the notion that Ensminger is one of the finest minds on offense in the country but simply decided he did not want to be a coordinator at a major school...by choice.

For Twenty Years.

Every time I hear this load of bull shite I think of this scene from Say Anything...

I got a question...


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