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re: How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:20 am to Rickdaddy4188
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the greatest coaching season of O's career is one game better than miles worst year ever at lsu.
that's one way to look at it. Or you could look at what he has done at LSU.
Coach O was 9-3 (reg season) and 6-2 (sec play) and 9-4 overall in his first season at LSU.
coach Miles in his last 2 and a quarter seasons at LSU was 19-10 overall and 10-8 (sec games)
MIles actually went 10-3 and 5-3 (sec games) in 2013 with Mettenberg, Landry, OBJ, Hill, and Turner on Oline. Also finished 7th in total offense in the SEC that year with that talent.
So O definitely wasn't a step down IMO, and we should wait and see what happens (at least I am) in 2018 and maybe 2019 to see if he is a step up. Same as we would with any other coach.
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:22 am to BigSquirrel
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the tie to Troy
Did you already block out the Troy loss?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:23 am to boxcar willie
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Or you could look at what he has done at LSU.
Let's go ahead and do that.
1. Lied about hiring the best coordinators
2. Lied about not meddling in the offense
3. Got blown out by State, worst loss in series history
4. Lost to TROY
5. Lost to Bama AGAIN, by two touchdowns
6. Lost the bowl game to ND
7. Threw Tee Martin under the bus by name to defend himself
8. Fired his OC after one season
9. Hired Ensminger
10. Signed the worst recruiting class in a decade and a half
That's quite the list of accomplishments in a short time span
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:25 am to Mayhawman
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11 wins
13 wins
10 wins
10 wins
8 wins
9 wins (we never played McNeese - 9 wins is 9 wins)
2 wins
FIFY
Miles' final FULL three seasons averaged out to 9 wins so you just proved his point. Nevermind the fact Miles was already 2-2 his final season and would have ended up there again.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:26 am to dukke v
quote:
I must have missed the last 9 games of the 2016 season..... the offense looked pretty good except for the Bama game.....
I guess you missed the Florida game. It was also Cam Cameron's offense with a few tweaks. Being interim offensive coordinator is a far different animal from the full time position. Ensminger has not been a full time OC in 20 years.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:29 am to Dave England
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Let's go ahead and do that. 1. Lied about hiring the best coordinators 2. Lied about not meddling in the offense 3. Got blown out by State, worst loss in series history 4. Lost to TROY 5. Lost to Bama AGAIN, by two touchdowns 6. Lost the bowl game to ND 7. Threw Tee Martin under the bus by name to defend himself 8. Fired his OC after one season 9. Hired Ensminger 10. Signed the worst recruiting class in a decade and a half That's quite the list of accomplishments in a short time span
that's one way of looking at it (most that stuff or more is bs anyway) or you could look at his list of accomplishments which I already posted earlier in the thread
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:30 am to boxcar willie
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most that stuff or more is bs anyway
I'd love to be proven wrong, please do so.
quote:
or you could look at his list of accomplishments
He has accomplished NOTHING of note
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:30 am to boxcar willie
quote:
his list of accomplishments
9-4 is an accomplishment? You do know that a 3 loss season almost got Miles fired?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:34 am to dukke v
quote:Hey look, it's ole 9" wins are 9 wins" peej, the king of hyperbole and hypocrisy.
Those tens wins in 2015 included being 7-0 and ranked # 2 in the BCS standings before completely falling apart..... but dont let facts get in your way while trying to praise Miles....
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:34 am to Chimlim
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It was also Cam Cameron's offense with a few tweaks. Being interim offensive coordinator is a far different animal from the full time position.
yes he did that without even using his own system. He improved the frick out of Cams system from day one. Can't wait to see what he does with his own system. Or he could just pick up Cams system where he left off adding some of Canadas concepts (misdirection and motion but not that much motion} and roll with that.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:38 am to Dave England
quote:
He has accomplished NOTHING of note
look at previous thread on page 3 (I think) where I laid them all out. Not rewriting all that
edit; yes it's on page 3, listed 8 improvements over coach Miles which is the subject of this thread
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:41 am to Tiger Tracker
I'll say it again, and it has probably already been mentioned in this thread, but:
The fact that Alleva hired O does not mean it was the wrong decision to fire Miles. Miles' firing was more than justified, but thaf fact gets lost because, despite having almost an entire season to find a qualified replacement, Joe hired the worst possible candidate he could have.
The fact that Alleva hired O does not mean it was the wrong decision to fire Miles. Miles' firing was more than justified, but thaf fact gets lost because, despite having almost an entire season to find a qualified replacement, Joe hired the worst possible candidate he could have.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:43 am to cornstarch
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Not trolling or blindly supporting him, but I am looking at this next year as a pretty tell-tale sign as to what we could expect consistently.
It's not even all of next season. 2 of the fist 3 games are against Miami and Auburn. If O starts 1-2 (like Miles 2 years ago), his seat should be RED HOT.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:46 am to boxcar willie
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MIles actually went 10-3 and 5-3 (sec games) in 2013 with Mettenberg, Landry, OBJ, Hill, and Turner on Oline.
That is one way to look at it. Of course 1 of the 3 loses was 44-41at UGA most people would realize that loss wasn’t due to the offense. And since many like to blame Guice for running the wrong way vs Florida in 16 I’ll point out that in the UGA game after the D FINALLY got a stop OBJ fumbled a punt giving the ball right back to UGA who scored. And 1 of the other losses was to an undermanned Ole Miss team that had over 500 yds of offense and Mettenberger apparently had an injured knee
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:47 am to theunknownknight
quote:Fine then, if you won't accept a W for McNeese (O wasn't coach you know), then use losses.
9 wins (we never played McNeese - 9 wins is 9 wins)
2 loss
1 loss
3 loss
3 loss
5 loss
3 loss
Still averages to be a better season than your Zero hero.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:49 am to boxcar willie
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exactly. You should give him the courtesy you would any new coach. even if you don't like the hire, no hire is a sure thing.
He was hired specifically to avaoid any dropoff and because the thought was keeping him and most of the current (at the time)staff would result in WINNING NOW. That has been proven false.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:51 am to BigSquirrel
quote:
last year after the tie to Troy.
uhhh......
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:53 am to Tiger Tracker
quote:Miles is a scorpio saboteur who once again has (with malicious intent) successfully removed a key LSU prospect from fulfilling his promise.
How has O proved to be an improvement over Miles?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:55 am to Tiger Tracker
O was only an improvement for a few weeks after they fired Miles and even then it was mostly perception. He has since proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is not only more incompetent but he may even be more stubborn and for that he should be gone. (or never have been hired in the first place but that is a given)
Posted on 2/8/18 at 9:56 am to dukke v
quote:
the offense looked pretty good except for the Bama game.....
Yeah we really ran circles around and lit up the score board against Florida.
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