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How hard is it to switch to the spread (serious question)
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:18 pm
I know the spread is a good offensive system and we've seen many coaches use it with great success. I'm curious to know how long does it take to make the transition and actually be good at it? Willie Taggart, Scott Frost, Chip Kelly have all run the spread system with success in the past and they are all struggling offensively.
If we were to commit 100% to the spread offense, do you think things would be better or worse than they are now?
If we were to commit 100% to the spread offense, do you think things would be better or worse than they are now?
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Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:20 pm to KingMo
Better
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:20 pm to KingMo
You need to recruit the right players to run it right. We currently don't have the QB, slot WRs, or RBs to run that offense.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:21 pm to The First Cut
Nevermind the offensive line.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:27 pm to The First Cut
quote:In fairness, we don't have the right players to run our current scheme.
You need to recruit the right players to run it right. We currently don't have the QB, slot WRs, or RBs to run that offense.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:29 pm to KingMo
They are 7th in the College football playoff ranking. Two questions:
1) Which of the six teams ahead of them predominantly run a spread offense?
2) If any, which ones are in dange of blowing up their season if their quarterback takes more hits as a result and sustains a season ending injury?
1) Which of the six teams ahead of them predominantly run a spread offense?
2) If any, which ones are in dange of blowing up their season if their quarterback takes more hits as a result and sustains a season ending injury?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:30 pm to abellsujr
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In fairness, we don't have the right players to run our current scheme.
The OL has struggled mightily this year to be able to effectively run a pro style offense. But, we simply aren't built for a spread with power runners, tall outside receivers, and a QB that never keeps the ball when we do run read options.
In all reality, this offense really isn't as talented as in years past. However, LSU's 2019 class is deep with OL and Emery is a great add.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:33 pm to The First Cut
quote:A strong oline is the MOST important part of trying to run a pro style offense. As well as an elite back. And a deep threat WR. We have none of those.
The OL has struggled mightily this year to be able to effectively run a pro style offense.
WTF do we have?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:33 pm to KingMo
LSU runs the spread
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:35 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Which is what I thought. Somebody said it's just an older form of it. We completely abandoned it against Arkansas, though and started a power run scheme.
LSU runs the spread
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:35 pm to KingMo
I do not mean just you, but its questions like this that are not the point or the answer to our offensive problems.
The spread is not necessarily an offensive system as much as it is a formation. When people say I wish we ran the "spread" under Orgeron the offensive philosophy would not change. People think the spread because its associated so closely with the Air Raid, means simply a passing offense. Two prime examples are Malzahn at Auburn and Willie Fritz at Tulane. They are running based "spread" offenses. Chip Kelly's offensive system needs a balanced offense, it has to have a solid running game, which when he brought Oregon to national attention they always had. UCLA cannot run the ball for shite.
They would be the exact same as they are now. You can be a downhill smashmouth running attack out of the spread. Simply spreading the field out and running it on first and second then passing on a predictable third down would most likely be the same outcome. Just because it was out of a spread formation does not make the scheme any better.
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I know the spread is a good offensive system
The spread is not necessarily an offensive system as much as it is a formation. When people say I wish we ran the "spread" under Orgeron the offensive philosophy would not change. People think the spread because its associated so closely with the Air Raid, means simply a passing offense. Two prime examples are Malzahn at Auburn and Willie Fritz at Tulane. They are running based "spread" offenses. Chip Kelly's offensive system needs a balanced offense, it has to have a solid running game, which when he brought Oregon to national attention they always had. UCLA cannot run the ball for shite.
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If we were to commit 100% to the spread offense, do you think things would be better or worse than they are now?
They would be the exact same as they are now. You can be a downhill smashmouth running attack out of the spread. Simply spreading the field out and running it on first and second then passing on a predictable third down would most likely be the same outcome. Just because it was out of a spread formation does not make the scheme any better.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:35 pm to abellsujr
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WTF do we have?
Not much, hence 100+ ranking in offensive production.
But, I do see help on the horizon. This line will improve with the experience they've gained this year and another offseason with Moffitt. Burrow will be improved next year. RBs will be a big step up with trading Emery and Davis for Brossette. WRs will all return.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:37 pm to abellsujr
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Which is what I thought. Somebody said it's just an older form of it.
The spread is merely 3 or more receivers that spread the defense out, moving defenders out of the box. Most people today call RPOs the spread, which is a variation of the spread.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:41 pm to The First Cut
Wisconsin year and year out runs an archaic offense yet they are ranked 46th and we are where we are. I do not care how we achieve offensive productivity. Now I think Wisconsin's scheme has major flaws against the top teams in college football as evidenced by their results.
There are teams that run the triple option that have better offenses than us, there fans do not complain because that is there identity they know it, embrace it and try and maximize it the best they can. We really do not have an identity, as our coaches try and say one thing but the results do not indicate it at all.
There are teams that run the triple option that have better offenses than us, there fans do not complain because that is there identity they know it, embrace it and try and maximize it the best they can. We really do not have an identity, as our coaches try and say one thing but the results do not indicate it at all.
This post was edited on 11/14/18 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:45 pm to KingMo
quote:
I know the spread is a good offensive system and we've seen many coaches use it with great success. I'm curious to know how long does it take to make the transition and actually be good at it? Willie Taggart, Scott Frost, Chip Kelly have all run the spread system with success in the past and they are all struggling offensively. If we were to commit 100% to the spread offense, do you think things would be better or worse than they are now?
This is why you need an elite OC. Not just a guy who runs the spread. When Aranda got here, his preferred defense was a 3-4. We'd been running 4-3 with Chavis. He built his concepts in but also recognized that a full switch immediately would not work from a personnel perspective.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:48 pm to bencoleman
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Nevermind the offensive line.
Or the right OC
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:02 pm to abellsujr
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.
In fairness, we don't have the right players to run our current scheme
Serious question. What is our current scheme?
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:07 pm to KingMo
quote:
How hard is it to switch to the spread (serious question)
easier with the lights on. I have pulled a hamstring before. re-entry can be dangerous.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:27 pm to KingMo
It starts up front PERIOD. We have the OPPOSITE of what we need to make a version of the spread a success. It's a process.
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:29 pm to abellsujr
quote:It was a trap
LSU runs the spread
Which is what I thought.
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