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How do some teams sign 26 players, when the regs say it is a hard cap of 25?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 2/3/21 at 3:03 pm
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 3:05 pm to shaqdaddy
If you didn’t sign 25 last season you can over sign the next season as long as you have the spots to allow them to be early enrollees.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 3:06 pm to shaqdaddy
Some greyshirt
Posted on 2/3/21 at 3:16 pm to tiger perry
To me if it's 25 than that should be the rule, no gray area.
Baseball has a hard cap of 35 per roster which kind of takes care of it and prevents oversigning.
Football has the 85 but I'm not sure why the 25 is not enforced the way it should especially when you have to cut down anyway to be able to sign 25 every year while managing under the 85 which usually attrition takes care of.
Baseball has a hard cap of 35 per roster which kind of takes care of it and prevents oversigning.
Football has the 85 but I'm not sure why the 25 is not enforced the way it should especially when you have to cut down anyway to be able to sign 25 every year while managing under the 85 which usually attrition takes care of.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 3:42 pm to tiger perry
Grey shirts still count against the numbers for a different year. Fishy fishy Nicky
Posted on 2/3/21 at 4:01 pm to nicholastiger
I believe in most sports, there isn't a yearly signing cap, just a roster cap. I know in some years there have been schools that have brought in an almost complete new basketball team
Posted on 2/3/21 at 4:08 pm to shaqdaddy
How did Bama not have a single Covid positive case all season. Does that answer your question?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 4:51 pm to shaqdaddy
I'm gonna answer this assuming you are sincere and want to understand even though a lot of posters here are neither sincere nor do they really want, of lack the capacity, to understand.
It actually is a hard cap, but it is a hard cap for the academic year, not the season. It's the timing of the signings that is the usual cause of it not looking like a hard cap. Say for instance back in Feb 2020 we had a combined 24 signings that applied to the 20/21 academic year. That leaves one spot that can be filled in the 20/21 class that can only be filled during that academic year.
So if in the 21/22 class you have an early entry signee (someone who enrolls in the spring of 20/21 you can fullfill your 25 hard cap with that guy. But your 21/22 class looks like you signed 26. We call this backcounting, but it is really current counting fullfilling your hard cap for the current academic year.
Other things that could give the same effect:
o Maybe a signee was someone who had signed with a school before. This person would not count against the current limits since he counted before.
o Maybe a signee will be on an academic scholarship instead of an athletic scholarship. In this case he wouldn't count against the 25 unless he played in a game his first year.
o Maybe a signee will actually be a grey shirt. He would actually count against the next class, not this class.
o Did all of the previous signees ever sign a valid LOI. For an LOI to be valid, and thus a promise, not only do all the i's and t's must be dotted and crossed, the school has to submit the paperwork to the conference for approval within the allotted timeframe. They might not do this for someone they are unsure of qualifying but wants to give them their signing ceremony.
All of these are completely legit and logical. They are not some crazy loophole.
It actually is a hard cap, but it is a hard cap for the academic year, not the season. It's the timing of the signings that is the usual cause of it not looking like a hard cap. Say for instance back in Feb 2020 we had a combined 24 signings that applied to the 20/21 academic year. That leaves one spot that can be filled in the 20/21 class that can only be filled during that academic year.
So if in the 21/22 class you have an early entry signee (someone who enrolls in the spring of 20/21 you can fullfill your 25 hard cap with that guy. But your 21/22 class looks like you signed 26. We call this backcounting, but it is really current counting fullfilling your hard cap for the current academic year.
Other things that could give the same effect:
o Maybe a signee was someone who had signed with a school before. This person would not count against the current limits since he counted before.
o Maybe a signee will be on an academic scholarship instead of an athletic scholarship. In this case he wouldn't count against the 25 unless he played in a game his first year.
o Maybe a signee will actually be a grey shirt. He would actually count against the next class, not this class.
o Did all of the previous signees ever sign a valid LOI. For an LOI to be valid, and thus a promise, not only do all the i's and t's must be dotted and crossed, the school has to submit the paperwork to the conference for approval within the allotted timeframe. They might not do this for someone they are unsure of qualifying but wants to give them their signing ceremony.
All of these are completely legit and logical. They are not some crazy loophole.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 4:54 pm to The Shed
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How did Bama not have a single Covid positive case all season.
Like Saban?
Twice?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 4:58 pm to Indiana Tiger
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Indiana Tiger
So honest question...
How did Alabama Sign 25 guys, plus 2 transfers last year...
But now sign 27 guys this year...?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 4:59 pm to Indiana Tiger
So bama signed 25 last year and 27 this year?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 5:16 pm to ColeLSU
I have no idea, nor do I really care to know. It could be due to any/all the reasons I mentioned above. You need a really deep and accurate understanding of all signees. You also need to know with certainty what their balance sheet looks like. If they had enough EEs each year, they could in effect be filling a spot from a decade ago. Your best bet is finding a true alabama recruiting geek. This guy might be it:
LINK
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 5:17 pm to shaqdaddy
Our coach can't count pass 22
Posted on 2/3/21 at 5:37 pm to shaqdaddy
Only one team signed over 22. And it is the same team that somehow does it every year. The name of the school rhymes with mama jama.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 6:14 pm to shaqdaddy
Don’t forget the blue shirt.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:37 pm to nicholastiger
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Football has the 85 but I'm not sure why the 25 is not enforced
I'm not sure why the 25 per year limit is still a thing and they should look at getting rid of it. With the transfer portal now in place, just set the hard cap on 85 total and be done with it.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:06 pm to js1591
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Only one team signed over 22. And it is the same team that somehow does it every year. The name of the school rhymes with mama jama.
Notre Dame also had 27
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:21 pm to ffishstik
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I'm not sure why the 25 per year limit is still a thing and they should look at getting rid of it. With the transfer portal now in place, just set the hard cap on 85 total and be done with it.
If this were the case, schools would likely be cutting players more often if the coaches miss since it’s a one year scholarship. They still have to give off the guise that they’re an academic institution first and a football factory second.
Posted on 2/4/21 at 12:28 am to BPTiger
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Notre Dame also had 27
But they only signed 17 last year and 22 the year before.
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