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re: hot seat?...bertman
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:42 pm to TiegerTim
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:42 pm to TiegerTim
quote:
Less will have to win the West or go 10-2ish and resemble a well coached team to win me back to support him as our coach...
1. spelling his name Less is weak and immature
2. why can't you support him just because he's the head coach at LSU? I know he's made some mistakes but he's also done some great things. Instead of hoping he fails (which means LSU fails) like some people here, i hope he turns it around and wins another NC. Either way, i will support him until he's no longer at LSU...just like i supported Arnsparger, Archer, Hallman, Dinardo, and Saban.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 2/2/10 at 12:51 pm to Choctaw
quote:nah....
spelling his name Less is weak and immature
quote:b/c i don't think he a good coach and at nearly 4 mil a year, we should have a great coach.. and as i've said before, i support the team. I do NOT support Less. I guess all Germans should have supported Hitler just b/c he was the leader.. NOT comparing Less to Hitler, just the comparison of we should support the leader...
2. why can't you support him just because he's the head coach at LSU
quote:depends on your definition of great really....
I know he's made some mistakes but he's also done some great things
quote:Oh, i would rather he succeeds, but i just don't believe he has what it takes to succeed long term at this level.. he's a mid level coach..
Instead of hoping he fails
quote:if he does that, i will gladly eat my crow..
i hope he turns it around and wins another NC
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:00 pm to Choctaw
quote:He doesn't even know how to spell Tiger.....
spelling his name Less is weak and immature
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:07 pm to LSURussian
This isn't close. Bertman hired shafer, van, miles, girard, laval and paul m. he kept brady.
the only coach you can say has improved the team they had inherited from the previous coach is Paul m.
the only coach you can say has improved the team they had inherited from the previous coach is Paul m.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:08 pm to TiegerTim
quote:
I guess all Germans should have supported Hitler just b/c he was the leader.. NOT comparing Less to Hitler, just the comparison of we should support the leader...
I made these comments last night, and was called a drama queen. I said them tongue-in-cheek, but I stand by my comments.
Nothing wrong with supporting an LSU coach, but you have to be able to separate the two. You also have to be able to draw the line. With 2 wins in 1999, I couldn't support Dinardo any longer.
Les Miles is just like all the other coaches, a hired gun for LSU. He's a well-paid leader. That's it. He is not LSU. LSU will be here long after he's gone.
Does he deserve to be called names? No.
I will not feel sorry for these guys. The days of the Chollie Macs and Joe Pas are over. Not many coaches stick around at their respective schools for 20 years in this day and time.
I think the schools are the ones that usually get screwed the most. Most of the time when a coach gets fired, it's usually from doing a sub-standard job. The school has to go through the trouble of finding another coach, not to mention paying the one they just fired a buyout in the $$$$Millions.
On the flip side, a coach can do a great job, leave said school to make even more $$$$$Millions and the school doesn't get squat.
That's business, but I think our fans somehow feel sorry for the coaches moreso than the school.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:13 pm to dos crystal
quote:Didn't Bertman fire Brady just as Alleva was coming in?
he kept brady.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
a. emmeret was why we got saban. he scouted him, wanted him, and got the money to pay him
Thank god for Emmert, I don't think LSU could have afforded/survived another joe dean hire.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:18 pm to LSURussian
quote:
You have such an inferiority complex, you have to criticize successful people in order to feel better about yourself. You need counseling....
The shear numbers of Psychology Phd.s on here that know the inner workings of the human mind and what motivates people to express their own opinions is amazing.
When you can't attack the message, you attack the messenger with name calling.
BTW, weren't Wells, Bianco, Corbin, Cohen, Horton and Pawlowski (the former coach of Charleston College and currently at Auburn) all considered by Bertman. Even though they might not have all had a formal intervirew, I guarantee that Skip "Informally" spoke with all of them......
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:23 pm to TigerBandAlumnus82
quote:What do I get for your "guarantee" since you're wrong?
I guarantee that Skip "Informally" spoke with all of them......
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:28 pm to LSURussian
quote:
Bianco
Well I know for a fact Skip spoke to this guy.
He didn't offer him the job, but he guaged his interest. Unless Bianco is a two-faced liar when he told the Clarion Ledger he did in fact talked to Bertman about the job.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:31 pm to TiegerTim
quote:
I guess all Germans should have supported Hitler just b/c he was the leader.. NOT comparing Less to Hitler, just the comparison of we should support the leader...
Well as soon as Miles starts murdering students and trying to invade other SEC campuses i will not continue to support him. i promise.
quote:
depends on your definition of great really....
2 SEC West titles, an SEC championship, a NC, great recruiting classes, and the highest win % in LSU history, all in 5 years.
quote:
Oh, i would rather he succeeds,
hmmmm....i wonder what i would find if i looked at some of your posts from 2007.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:36 pm to LSURussian
I pretty much Kige everything Baloo said in this thread. Bertman also deserves credit for the contract extension he gave Saban after the UF loss in 2003, it made it a tough decision for Saban to leave, even though he did, great foresight by Skip. Yeah, he fricked up hiring Smoke, but he corrected that mistake with his best hire.
Skip did also fire Brady at the right time. When else could he have?
Skip did also fire Brady at the right time. When else could he have?
Posted on 2/2/10 at 1:50 pm to TiegerTim
quote:
we were a top ten team when we hired Miles.. He was hardly a top 10 coach at Okie State...
I don't know about that --- look at what Miles did at OK St. he BEAT Bob Stoops 2 out of 3 years in the heyday of the OU Bob Stoops era -- and I believe NEARLY did it 3 in a row????? as I recall.
OK ST hadn't been on the MAP since Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders --- and maybe Jimmy Johnson. Miles put them back there .... they have never been on par with OU and UT -- but they are competitive even today with a Miles pupil as HC (I believe).
Posted on 2/2/10 at 3:22 pm to JustSmokin
I can take two marginal but winning seasons and one out of two bowl victories for two years. What I can't take is a similar performance for 3 years. If that happens, then we are talking about a whole nother ball game. I'll give the program a break considering the QB defection and DC defection, and we still had a winning season and a decent bowl, and finished #3 overall in the SEC this year, but in year three, if we are not over this, game over. Anything other than a BCS Bowl victory, as a minimum this year, is completely unacceptable in my opinion.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 3:28 pm to LSURussian
quote:and you know this because "Skip" told you. No, Skip doesn't lie, does he???
What do I get for your "guarantee" since you're wrong?
Posted on 2/2/10 at 3:32 pm to LSU91MBA
Bertman should be credited for building our basball program into a dynasty. Love him for it. It's unfortunate, because of his baseball success, he's considered a success as A.D.
Let see, bertman get's credit for firing Brady. (does joe dean get credit for hiring saban?) Second, he doesn't get credit for the miles contract.
He hires a baseball coach, laval, under the condition he keeps camp money and the assistant coaches. he hires a football coach, miles, under the condition he has to offer the o.c. and d.c. job to jimbo and w.m.
Fires pokey chapman for inappropriate relationship. However, ok with brady having inappropriate relationships with students.
We hire alleva to be A.D., ole skipper stay's on the pay roll to the tune of $500,000 as a consultant for fund raising.
As soon as emmert was out the door, he delegates his duties as a.d. to two associate a.d.'s.
as stated above, only one hire of a coach that has exceeded the performance of the coach they succeeded. Not exactly stellar.
Bertman is quick to accept the recognition and quick to place the blame.
Let see, bertman get's credit for firing Brady. (does joe dean get credit for hiring saban?) Second, he doesn't get credit for the miles contract.
He hires a baseball coach, laval, under the condition he keeps camp money and the assistant coaches. he hires a football coach, miles, under the condition he has to offer the o.c. and d.c. job to jimbo and w.m.
Fires pokey chapman for inappropriate relationship. However, ok with brady having inappropriate relationships with students.
We hire alleva to be A.D., ole skipper stay's on the pay roll to the tune of $500,000 as a consultant for fund raising.
As soon as emmert was out the door, he delegates his duties as a.d. to two associate a.d.'s.
as stated above, only one hire of a coach that has exceeded the performance of the coach they succeeded. Not exactly stellar.
Bertman is quick to accept the recognition and quick to place the blame.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 3:34 pm to Choctaw
quote:you know what i meant, you just choose to ignore it.. it's ok. You know I was right on with my point...
Well as soon as Miles starts murdering students and trying to invade other SEC campuses i will not continue to support him. i promise.
quote:dig away dude....
hmmmm....i wonder what i would find if i looked at some of your posts from 2007.
Posted on 2/2/10 at 3:39 pm to blackjackjackson
quote:
Not to take anything away from Saban, but when Nick did it, it was easier to do than when Les did it.
Everything in the article said by Skip was acceptable and accurate, except this. Though his statement is somewhat true, his deceptive intention to sugarcoat for another isn't.
Nick won in year four at LSU after having to somewhat build a national title winning roster(though won games and bowls the first few years with Dinardo recruits), then again did it in year three at Bama(in this tougher era).
Skip conveniently bypasses that Miles first three years main contributors and starters were Saban recruits, and that as Miles excellently rated recruiting classes became his own starters, there has been a clear line of demarcation these last two seasons in level of play and style..
Notably weaker trench warfare on the OL and DL..and a marked transition from a physically dominant set of lines to a finesse modus-operandi.
Apologistic spin for his hire and guy..and a slight stab at his former sparring mate.
This post was edited on 2/2/10 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/2/10 at 3:40 pm to LSU91MBA
quote:
He was hardly a top 10 coach at Okie State...
quote:
LSU91MBA
quote:You think Less was a top 10 coach when we hired him????? Wow just Wow!!!
I don't know about that
Posted on 2/2/10 at 4:34 pm to TiegerTim
I can't until Miles Mania comes roaring back like a rampaging beast and takes the college football world by storm as we stake our flag on top of the SEC mountain of dominance
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