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re: Harris vs Wisconsin (Film of every throw)
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:02 pm to slackster
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:02 pm to slackster
I broke down the linked video at the beginning of the thread, but there must be a play missing because I come up with 11-20 and one of the plays was a sack (no pass).
25 first down plays and 10 were passing (40% not great balance but not bad)
1st down completions 6-10 (60%) 1 TD 2 INT. He was 5-7 on first down prior to the last series, but both interceptions came on first down which is disturbing.
2nd down completions 2-4
3rd down completions 3-6
50% of the passes thrown were on 1st down- (Not bad)
8 of 10 first down throws came from the I or Off set I formation, only 1 was from the shot gun and that was during the last series.
Ran 3 pass plays with 5 receivers downfield (shotgun) 1-3 (Int on last pass)
Ran 3 pass plays with 4 receivers downfield (shotgun) 3-3 (2 on last dr)
Ran 2 pass plays with 3 rec downfield and 1 dump off 0-2 (int)
Ran 8 pass plays with 3 receivers downfield (4-8)
Ran 1 pass play with 2 receivers downfield and 1 safety valve 1-1
Ran 3 pass plays with 2 receivers down field 1-3 (TD)
Ran 1 pass play with 1 receiver downfield 1-1 (that was on our 1 yard line which gained about 9 yards.
I didn't really take the time to watch the actual routes, meaning were they go's, crossing patterns, sit downs etc. Nor did I break down balls thrown to backs, TE or WR.
I know we ran 9 pass plays from the shotgun but I don't know if we had any designed run plays from that formation?
We ran 1 play action pass on 3rd down (3rd&7) and resulted in a sack. I hate play action on 3rd and long.
6 of the 10 first down passes were play action. (4-6 Int)
25 first down plays and 10 were passing (40% not great balance but not bad)
1st down completions 6-10 (60%) 1 TD 2 INT. He was 5-7 on first down prior to the last series, but both interceptions came on first down which is disturbing.
2nd down completions 2-4
3rd down completions 3-6
50% of the passes thrown were on 1st down- (Not bad)
8 of 10 first down throws came from the I or Off set I formation, only 1 was from the shot gun and that was during the last series.
Ran 3 pass plays with 5 receivers downfield (shotgun) 1-3 (Int on last pass)
Ran 3 pass plays with 4 receivers downfield (shotgun) 3-3 (2 on last dr)
Ran 2 pass plays with 3 rec downfield and 1 dump off 0-2 (int)
Ran 8 pass plays with 3 receivers downfield (4-8)
Ran 1 pass play with 2 receivers downfield and 1 safety valve 1-1
Ran 3 pass plays with 2 receivers down field 1-3 (TD)
Ran 1 pass play with 1 receiver downfield 1-1 (that was on our 1 yard line which gained about 9 yards.
I didn't really take the time to watch the actual routes, meaning were they go's, crossing patterns, sit downs etc. Nor did I break down balls thrown to backs, TE or WR.
I know we ran 9 pass plays from the shotgun but I don't know if we had any designed run plays from that formation?
We ran 1 play action pass on 3rd down (3rd&7) and resulted in a sack. I hate play action on 3rd and long.
6 of the 10 first down passes were play action. (4-6 Int)
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:09 pm to Oddibe
Nice breakdown.
It's really hard to find major issues with that level of variety, to be honest.
It's really hard to find major issues with that level of variety, to be honest.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:23 pm to GRTiger
quote:Without knowing how many plays total we ran from the I-formation/shotgun total it is hard to get a tendency.
It's really hard to find major issues with that level of variety, to be honest.
Did we pass 100% when in the shotgun? I don't have that breakdown.
It would be pretty easy to go back and break down plays by formation. I am GUESSING (historically) we run 70% of time with 21 personnel (2 rb, 1 te) and we pass 80%+ out of the shotgun. If that is the case it's very easy for a defense to determine run vs pass plays by formation.
That would not exactly represent a balanced attack
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:26 pm to cforester821
The INT at the end is textbook a QB forcing something to make a play happen.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:32 pm to Zach Lee To Amp Hill
quote:
Dupre fricking killed Harris. He straight dropped like 2 of his first 3 passes,
if harris doesn't get the ball down, he may just kill dupre.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 2:58 pm to tigerdup07
Not defending Harris at all, his play spoke for itself, but Dupree played below average. He does not go hard to the ball, damn sure doesnt do Harris any favors catching the ball either.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:04 pm to tigerdup07
BH last int was a horrible decision & shows he has issues.
That was Aarron Brooks like.
Smh
That was Aarron Brooks like.
Smh
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:07 pm to Oddibe
quote:
but there must be a play missing because I come up with 11-20
The screen to Fournette was missing.
quote:
but both interceptions came on first down which is disturbing.
Ehh, 1 was a heave before halftime and the other was 1st and 15. Not exactly the norm.
quote:
We ran 1 play action pass on 3rd down (3rd&7) and resulted in a sack. I hate play action on 3rd and long.
This was a horrendous play. PA and a 3 step drop from the shotgun walked Harris right into the DE.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:08 pm to Uncle Luke
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Not defending Harris at all, his play spoke for itself, but Dupree played below average. He does not go hard to the ball, damn sure doesnt do Harris any favors catching the ball either.
I'm still waiting on Dupre to show that he's a stud receiver. I realize the shitty offenses he's been in, but I've yet to see him make a spectacular catch when we really need it.
His measureables might be great, but I'm waiting for the "wow" moment.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:08 pm to Oddibe
I tried to do a play by play breakdown, but left out some key variables, such as shotgun. I can say that we lined up in a 1RB x 3WR formation (16) or an empty backfield (1) 34% of the time (17 plays). Five were runs, 12 were designed pass. The other 66% were 21 personnel.*
I remember a few draw plays out of the shotgun and a QB design run, but you may be right about the high % of shotgun formations being passes. I think the 8/10 first down passes coming out of the I is not a bad strategy, as that shows a typically run play formation in a typical run down.
*Pretty good guess
eta:
The other thing that is promising is the number of 3+ route plays we ran. Ultimately, it's going to either be a run or pass, so the formation isn't going to trick the defense regardless. The fact that we have many more routes than everyone assumes is a positive, as it makes the defense account for the receivers, even if they suspect a pass is coming.
I remember a few draw plays out of the shotgun and a QB design run, but you may be right about the high % of shotgun formations being passes. I think the 8/10 first down passes coming out of the I is not a bad strategy, as that shows a typically run play formation in a typical run down.
*Pretty good guess
eta:
The other thing that is promising is the number of 3+ route plays we ran. Ultimately, it's going to either be a run or pass, so the formation isn't going to trick the defense regardless. The fact that we have many more routes than everyone assumes is a positive, as it makes the defense account for the receivers, even if they suspect a pass is coming.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:11 pm to slackster
quote:Ok
Ehh, 1 was a heave before halftime
quote:We were on the Wis 35 or 40 yard line near field goal position with less than a minute to play and a field goal wins the game. Harris has to throw that ball into the stands or tuck in run and live for the next play.
he other was 1st and 15. Not exactly the norm.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:14 pm to Oddibe
Oh I'm not saying they're really excusable, I'm just pointing out that those situations shouldn't be concerning about 1st down passes. It isn't a trend is my point.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:17 pm to Old Money
quote:
The INT at the end is textbook a QB forcing something to make a play happen.
I tend to agree, but the more I see it the more I wonder how much Clapp had to do with it as he came across his face. That throw wasn't really in the vicinity of an LSU WR ( I know Chark was up there though). It is hard to miss that much without some unexpected outside force interfering.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:22 pm to GRTiger
quote:This for sure. I have never broken down game film like this in the past, but I swear it seems half of the passes were 2 man routes.
The other thing that is promising is the number of 3+ route plays we ran
The other thing to consider with 21 (2rb 1te) personnel pass plays. Last year our TE caught 8 balls all season and 4 of those came in one game. Based on history, if we send 3 men downfield and 1 of those is a tight end there is 98% chance the TE is not getting the ball. Another tendency that shows a lack of balance.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:28 pm to slackster
quote:The first 1 I agree with, the 2nd one I totally disagree with. He has to understand the game situation at that point. Less than a minute to play with 1 timeout he can't just heave some ball off balance to try and make a play. He has to make sure there is a next play. If that had been fourth down, then no problem, heave it up. Otherwise protect the ball and move on to next play.
Oh I'm not saying they're really excusable, I'm just pointing out that those situations shouldn't be concerning about 1st down passes. It isn't a trend is my point.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:39 pm to Oddibe
quote:
the 2nd one I totally disagree with. He has to understand the game situation at that point. Less than a minute to play with 1 timeout he can't just heave some ball off balance to try and make a play. He has to make sure there is a next play. If that had been fourth down, then no problem, heave it up. Otherwise protect the ball and move on to next play.
Ahh I didn't realize you were coming at it from this point. As I said above, it was such an errant pass that I wonder if Clapp threw him off coming in front of him. You can see Clapp obviously duck as BH releases the pass.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:49 pm to slackster
quote:Harris is a junior that started all of last season. Ultimately, Brandon made the choice to throw it, but has he been coached up on how to handle and what to do in these situations?
Ahh I didn't realize you were coming at it from this point.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:51 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
quote:That's nice. You found the one site who uses that for the definition. However, ESPN, Stats LLC, etc use the definition of a reasonably caught pass or a pass that can be caught with NORMAL effort. None of the reputable sites would consider a receiver stretching out and touching the ball with his fingertips to be a drop.
This is where I stopped reading
This statistic counts the number of times an intended receiver touches the ball but fails to catch it.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 3:53 pm to Oddibe
quote:
Ultimately, Brandon made the choice to throw it, but has he been coached up on how to handle and what to do in these situations?
After the false start you've got time to send someone in with the play call and a message to Harris to take what he's given there.
Quarterbacks at any level need all the help and reminders they can get. Harris ultimately made a bad decision and there was nothing that could be done to fix it with that little time remaining.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 4:11 pm to slackster
quote:
I tend to agree, but the more I see it the more I wonder how much Clapp had to do with it as he came across his face. That throw wasn't really in the vicinity of an LSU WR ( I know Chark was up there though). It is hard to miss that much without some unexpected outside force interfering.
He just panicked. Harris has no composure. Long line of Lee/JJ/Jennings/Harris. He had plenty of options and time at that point but he's not seeing things the way a playmaker would see them. He's just reacting the way he's been taught.
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