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re: Harris vs Wisconsin (Film of every throw)
Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:44 am to Knight of Old
Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:44 am to Knight of Old
Agreed, in that moment he could have changed how everything about him is perceived true or not. His teammates would trust he can get it done. Now there is doubt. When there is doubt mistakes happen we see it week after week when teams start to lose it. Hopefully he can come up big this week. I personally am putting the rest of season on the offensive lines back. If they can't comeback from that shite show nothing else really matters.
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Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:47 am to nola000
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Pressure from left. Escapes to the wrong side of pocket AND his wrong side. Tough throw but completely misses...
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Not too sure about rolling to the wrong side here. All 3 routes seemed to be on that side of the field, but if you're arguing he could have moved to the right and scrambled, then you're probably right.
It seems pretty apparent that the staff doesn't want him running. He keeps his head up trying to make a play downfield almost to a fault lately.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:54 am to slackster
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but if you're arguing he could have moved to the right and scrambled, then you're probably right
Thats what I was going for. Wasnt he supposed to be a "dual threat" QB?
Good looking out on the "keeps eyes down field to a fault". This is all coaching. Banging that square peg into that round hole again. Should be letting him use his instincts more. One or two reads and then use your feet. With that he probably would have escaped to the comfortable side of the pocket and had a big run.
He probably had it in the back of his mind that all his routes were on that side instead of feeling the pressure and turning it.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 11:59 am
Posted on 9/8/16 at 11:57 am to wilceaux
quote:Why was back shoulder even thrown? Defender was beaten and safety was nowhere in sight. A good pass hitting the receiver in stride would have been a TD. Instead it was a 50-50 ball.
You are assuming that "back shoulder" throw was intentional. Given Harris' accuracy issues, I have trouble making that assumption. And that first throw was bad. Not even close.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:00 pm to Poodlebrain
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Why was back shoulder even thrown? Defender was beaten and safety was nowhere in sight. A good pass hitting the receiver in stride would have been a TD. Instead it was a 50-50 ball.
It looked like the safety might have been in a position to make a play over the top or at least a big hit if QB leads receiver but its hard to tell from the frame. From Harris' angle it might have looked like a certainty(safety over top) thus the back shoulder attempt.
Like the rest of us, I dont really know. We're all scratching our heads when this offense takes the field.
This post was edited on 9/8/16 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:05 pm to Poodlebrain
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Why was back shoulder even thrown? Defender was beaten and safety was nowhere in sight. A good pass hitting the receiver in stride would have been a TD. Instead it was a 50-50 ball.
Do you not see the safety? If he tries to go over the top that ball would have been on the 35 or even deeper and the safety has time to get there. He threw it flatter and to the back shoulder.
I've got no clue if it is was intentional or not, but there wasn't really another option that would give Dupre a chance.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:09 pm to slackster
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Do you not see the safety?
Oh, I see now and agree. I think I might have been scrolled down a bit in my browser window cutting off the top of the screen. I just saw the safety flash in at the last second. Ill edit the post.
Again, it was a 40 yard throw as it was. Does Harris have the arm strength to throw a rainbow deeper than that? Was his arm maxed out?
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:12 pm to cforester821
I don't see the "drops" by Chi. What are the 2 everyone is talking about?
To me, a drop is a well thrown ball. I see one stop that hit his hands, but was high
To me, a drop is a well thrown ball. I see one stop that hit his hands, but was high
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:13 pm to tgerb8
Agree, Harris was not terrible, but not great either. Watching this film is deja vu to me -- I feel like I'm watching Jordan Jefferson game films. All the physical tools are there, and there are flashes of brilliance, but at the end of the day he's just not efficient or accurate enough, and seems prone to lock into his first read and tries to rocket the ball in there no matter what. Jefferson did the same thing, on the whole.
I always prefer playing paycheck teams to open the season to let us try to work the bugs out, not that this coaching staff really knows how to do that anyway. Wisconsin was probably better than advertised, and they executed better than we did with less talent, and wanted it more. The bottom line there is coaching; LSU was out-coached and out-worked. There are things for LSU to build on after watching that film, but sadly we won't build on it. We'll just make the same mistakes next week because we do not adjust, despite what is said in the midweek press conferences.
I always prefer playing paycheck teams to open the season to let us try to work the bugs out, not that this coaching staff really knows how to do that anyway. Wisconsin was probably better than advertised, and they executed better than we did with less talent, and wanted it more. The bottom line there is coaching; LSU was out-coached and out-worked. There are things for LSU to build on after watching that film, but sadly we won't build on it. We'll just make the same mistakes next week because we do not adjust, despite what is said in the midweek press conferences.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:17 pm to cforester821
-Malachi Dupre is absolutely terrible, soft and has shitty hands. His arse needs to be on the bench. A WR that cant catch and is scared is useless.
-Harris played decent
-Dural should get the bulk of the targets the rest of the season. He seems to be the only one that wants to and can play
-Our offensive lineman looked more lost than a peewee team the entire game.
-This entire team has no heart
-Our coach is a fricking idiot and is surrounded by yes men, which I would have thought would have changed with Orgeron and Aranda being on staff. Guess not.
-Harris played decent
-Dural should get the bulk of the targets the rest of the season. He seems to be the only one that wants to and can play
-Our offensive lineman looked more lost than a peewee team the entire game.
-This entire team has no heart
-Our coach is a fricking idiot and is surrounded by yes men, which I would have thought would have changed with Orgeron and Aranda being on staff. Guess not.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:20 pm to the LSUSaint
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I don't see the "drops" by Chi. What are the 2 everyone is talking about?
Anytime the ball touches both of your hands as a WR, you should catch it. This is not debatable. He had at least 4 drops in that game, and showed no effort on others. That INT before half wasn't a drop, but I'll be damned if Jarvis Landry or OBJ or any other competent WR that has played at LSU wouldnt have fought for that damn ball.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:26 pm to dnm3305
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Anytime the ball touches both of your hands as a WR, you should catch it. This is not debatable.
You're an idiot.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:27 pm to 5Alive
if I had been there the offense would've been ok.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:27 pm to cforester821
My 2 cents
- Harris was not as bad as people proclaimed. Showed a lot of moxie behind a horrible oline.
- Dupre really hurt the offense. He let Harris down on a lot of passes. Dupre could have had a career day if he would have played less timid. He is a big reason for Harris's inconsistency. Time for Chark, Jazz, Sullivan, Anderson, or somebody to push Chi for his position
- Fournette was not 100% Shouldn't have played the whole game. Guice is as good as advertised we should have leaned more on him and Williams.
- Dural should have gotten more passes.
- Oline is a cluster frick.
- Jeter has no right to be on the field. Please bench him and play Desean or Moreau or Washington or trindon holiday.
- Harris was not as bad as people proclaimed. Showed a lot of moxie behind a horrible oline.
- Dupre really hurt the offense. He let Harris down on a lot of passes. Dupre could have had a career day if he would have played less timid. He is a big reason for Harris's inconsistency. Time for Chark, Jazz, Sullivan, Anderson, or somebody to push Chi for his position
- Fournette was not 100% Shouldn't have played the whole game. Guice is as good as advertised we should have leaned more on him and Williams.
- Dural should have gotten more passes.
- Oline is a cluster frick.
- Jeter has no right to be on the field. Please bench him and play Desean or Moreau or Washington or trindon holiday.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:29 pm to slackster
quote:That ball should have been caught at about the 38 before the safety was within 5 yards of the play. Dupre doesn't break stride, and it's a TD. The ball was late and underthrown.
Do you not see the safety?
What do you think would have been the result if Harris put air under the ball and threw the pass to the 30? The safety had the wrong angle, and the CB was beaten. Additionally, Harris was not under pressure so he could have stepped into the throw.
Bottom line, Harris turned an easy opportunity into a tough play for the receiver.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:30 pm to the LSUSaint
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I don't see the "drops" by Chi. What are the 2 everyone is talking about?
To me, a drop is a well thrown ball. I see one stop that hit his hands, but was high
Have you ever been around football outside of watching it on TV?
Football 101
If the ball hits your hands you need to catch it. More times then not your are going to get hit whether you catch it or not so you just assume to catch it and take one for the team.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:30 pm to cforester821
While I think we should still send Etling out there this weekend just to see what he can do, this footage proves that we need to hold the O Line and their coaching way more accountable than we do and that it's certainly not all on Harris.
Dupre needs to see the bench for at least a game. That shite was terrible.
Dupre needs to see the bench for at least a game. That shite was terrible.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:31 pm to dnm3305
I agree he should have fought harder for that ball.
I also think it should have been pass interference.
I also think it should have been pass interference.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:31 pm to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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- Fournette was not 100% Shouldn't have played the whole game. Guice is as good as advertised we should have leaned more on him and Williams.
I agree on the former, but Guice's pitiful fumble and then giving up on the play made sure that Fournette would have to play the whole game.
Posted on 9/8/16 at 12:32 pm to Poodlebrain
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The ball was late and underthrown.
I can't act like I know what BH's intentions were, but the ball wasn't late in the context of the play design. It was a PA 7-step drop. The second he set his feet he threw it.
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What do you think would have been the result if Harris put air under the ball and threw the pass to the 30? The safety had the wrong angle, and the CB was beaten.
I genuinely don't know because we can't see the safety the entire time and what type of read he was making.
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