re: Guice accused of rape while at LSU

In today's media you really don't know what to believe. Its all about being the first and having information no one else has so that creates an environment for reporters to be tempted to exaggerate, etc.

Or, its possible it could have gone down just as reported and the story was good enough that it didn't need any beefing up..

But one thing that comes to mind.. And in no way am I trying to defend Guice, if he did it then his victims need their justice.. But when you hear of someone who had a boyfriend claim rape, I think a fair question to ask. Did she consent to sex, but a story gets out and because she had a boyfriend and didn't want him to know she cheated on him, she claimed it was rape?

Rape is serious and no man should get a pass for doing so, but when it comes to younger people (college aged, early 20s) I think there can be a lot of gray area sometimes. Girls get drunk, talks to a boy who is drinking, they talk, kiss... then it leads to sex, which she consents to in terms of she goes along with it. She is into it as much as he is. She wakes up the next morning. Doesn't remember exactly how things went down, but remembers she was alone with the guy. "Oh shite I had sex with him". Its not something she would do sober so in her mind he must have raped her.

Not saying that's the case at all, just that there could be some gray area.

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A public figure should never answer to pure speculation

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Let’s make a bet then. When he does, you can send $100 to a battered woman’s program of my choice.

And if for some reason he doesn’t, $100 to wherever you want

Don’t crawfish now. You know exactly what we are talking about. Him commenting on his involvement in this.

Of course you won’t bet me. Because you don’t believe what you just said about public officials making comments on “speculations”.

I 100% do not think in anyway O will comment at all about the comments in the article from the boyfriend

No crawfishing here at all

He will make a generic comment possibly about how “we care about women, and doing the right thing etc etc “

One of my favorite guys, but I have a daughter in college so if true......

Ah the old "girl cheats on her bf and when he finds out she claims it was rape"


It's a tale as old as time itself

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I hear you, I really do, but if my daughter came to me and tells me she was raped, you ain't silencing me. I don't care who it is.

Also, we have seen plenty of people stand up against star athletes with allegations.

Again, I want to be clear, i'm not blaming the victim, and I know how hard it can be to come out, but it just seems like at the very least she was just walking around the campus getting pimped out, and her parents and coaches just planted their heads up their asses. That's the part that I am struggling with the most.

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After having read the article a few times, I have some issues with this entire scenario. I am hesitant to even mention them, because bottom line is that these two girls are victims regardless of their own actions.

However...

First, neither girl filed a complaint with LSU. The first girl told a friend. The friend told a diving coach. The diving coach reported what they were told. Someone from LSU reached out to the first victim. There was a conversation and the end result was that she declined to file a report.

The second girl told a drug counselor during a treatment program. The drug counselor aimed to have reported the incident to LSU. LSU has a report, but Derrius Guice is not named. Was that omitted by the victim? Counselor? LSU Admin staff? We'll never know. We can only assume, which is not helpful in an investigation.

Both incidents were reported to LSU via 3rd or 4th parties. It's difficult to take accurate reports and conduct an investigation without the full cooperation of the victims, much less take the complaints seriously. You're never going to get the full story if all you have are bits and pieces as told to someone other than the victims who shares bits and pieces with you. Complaints will never be taken seriously if the victims are not motivated or aggrieved enough to file a report.

Now, if Derrius is guilty, then he should go to jail. If any coaches knew and failed to discipline players, they should be terminated if they are still employed. If administrative staff knew and failed to conduct an investigation or covered up an investigation, then they should be terminated if they are still employed and a full, transparent investigation should commence immediately. However, none of that is going to occur because the victims never filed complaints with LSU.

Second, I know that the Orgeron we see on TB is not 100% the guy in real life. You can't relate to people unless you're "real" and you can't put "real" on TV because the public perception of people needs to be clean and sanitized. We have seen O punish, suspend and dismiss players, very good players at times when it's less than convenient for opposing teams and depth chart concerns. All of these players were punished for actions far less serious that rape and sexual assault. It is not unreasonable to deduct that Orgeron would dismiss Guice or at least suspend him until the matter was resolved. As for the comment, we don't know what Orgeron knows about the incident. It is very likely that specifics are kept from HCs for this exact reason: plausible deniability. What he learned could have been what was floating around the locker room, which is probably what is floating around this thread. It's not unreasonable to think that Orgeron found of the guy's girlfriend was banging other dudes and felt the desire to console him. None of that is an unreasonable scenario. It's just too bad she didn't file a complaint so we have documented description of the in incidents.

Third, what kind of beta cuck boyfriend finds out his girlfriend was raped by a teammate and then his response is to "steer clear" of said teammate. At the very least, Guice becomes the target of a cheap shot during practice. At most, a fight is called for with an explanation to coaches of why the fight started to begin with. I'm not going to see the guy who raped my girlfriend around the office, gym, classroom, etc and then run away to avoid interacting with him. I might get my tail whipped, but he's at least walking home with a bloody lip and a limp.

It's clear something traumatic occurred, but terrible that no one will ever get to the bottom of it. These girls are going to live with it and they could have gotten some measure of justice and closure. It's just terrible.

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Then why did it take 4 years to get out? I mean, there aren't many reporters alive who wouldn't want that story. All it takes is one leak to open the flood gates.

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No report was ever filed with LSU, so any part of this story is hearsay unless it comes directly from the victims. One victim surfaced in a lawsuit vs the NCAA. Two reporters started digging. Clearly they're good at investigations because they got more information that the LSU Title IX department.

Yes, because all women must be believed you savages! Did we not learn anything from the testimony of Dr Big Glasses or whatever her name is.

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bottom line is that these two girls are victims regardless of their own actions.

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They are victims only and because of Darrius Guice's actions...Getting drunk is not punishable by rape.