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Good read on NCAA "targeting"
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:34 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:34 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:37 am to km
It was a bad call.
If you disagree then you can go frick yourself.
If you disagree then you can go frick yourself.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 1:45 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 1:52 am to km
per the rules you just cited it wasn't any thing close to targeting.
says must lead with the crown of the helmet to any part of the body ( did not lead with crown of helmet) or lead with any part of the body to the head or neck area (lead with the hands to the chest area)
says must lead with the crown of the helmet to any part of the body ( did not lead with crown of helmet) or lead with any part of the body to the head or neck area (lead with the hands to the chest area)
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 1:55 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:04 am to km
"Note the rule says contact with "the crown" of the helmet."
You need to read the full rule. Leading with the crown is always targeting. But against a helpless player, almost any hit in the neck or head area can be called as targeting and that makes the rule crazy.
From the website you linked (when hitting a helpless player):
"Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area"
Was the QB helpless? That is spelled out in the rule.
"Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass."
These two items is how the ref was able to throw the flag for targeting. That rule needs to be rewritten. Folks say it was a bad call but it really is a bad, poorly written rule. The game is slowly approaching flag football.
You need to read the full rule. Leading with the crown is always targeting. But against a helpless player, almost any hit in the neck or head area can be called as targeting and that makes the rule crazy.
From the website you linked (when hitting a helpless player):
"Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area"
Was the QB helpless? That is spelled out in the rule.
"Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):
A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass."
These two items is how the ref was able to throw the flag for targeting. That rule needs to be rewritten. Folks say it was a bad call but it really is a bad, poorly written rule. The game is slowly approaching flag football.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:08 am to PatriotAlum
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Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area"
they would say chest if they meant chest. The chest is not the head or neck area.
quote:
forcible contact
wasn't really forcible contact as he didn't follow through. Wasn't even a particularly hard hit.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:19 am to boxcar willie
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they would say chest if they meant chest. The chest is not the head or neck area.
White's face mask did hit the QB's helmet. The NCAA is trying to stop all contact against a passing QB's neck and head areas.
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wasn't really forcible contact as he didn't follow through. Wasn't even a particularly hard hit.
This is why the call should have been roughing the QB with a 15 yard penalty but without disqualifying White. The problem is, what is the definition of forceful? It is subjective. White was running and that is enough for some to call it forceful. But he didn't launch himself at the QB so I would agree with you.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:24 am to PatriotAlum
His face mask hit second on his head, hands on chest were the lead. By rule, not targetting.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:32 am to PatriotAlum
quote:So how many of these targeting calls aka "really bad, poorly written rules" have DQ'd Bama players. Give us an example. Because oddly no one can remember a Bama player getting DQ'd. Surely there was at least one?
Folks say it was a bad call but it really is a bad, poorly written rule.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 2:51 am to PatriotAlum
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This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 2:53 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 4:16 am to PatriotAlum
If only it applied to Alabama.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 4:27 am to PatriotAlum
Two simple questions:
1) Did White make contact with the crown of the helmet?
--- Clearly, that answer is "No". He had his head up throughout the entire play.
2) Did White "lead" with any part of his body to the head or neck area, making forcible contact?
--- Again, clearly the initial contact was with his hands to Fitzgerald's chest. Yes, the facemask appears to make incidental contact to the right side of Fitzgerald's helmet immediately thereafter. But, if we take the word "lead" as meaning "initial contact", then this also does not qualify as targeting.
Anything else???
1) Did White make contact with the crown of the helmet?
--- Clearly, that answer is "No". He had his head up throughout the entire play.
2) Did White "lead" with any part of his body to the head or neck area, making forcible contact?
--- Again, clearly the initial contact was with his hands to Fitzgerald's chest. Yes, the facemask appears to make incidental contact to the right side of Fitzgerald's helmet immediately thereafter. But, if we take the word "lead" as meaning "initial contact", then this also does not qualify as targeting.
Anything else???
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 5:40 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 5:49 am to GeauxLSUGeaux
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It was a bad call.
Very bad call but was it the worse targeting call ever? They called 35 for targeting.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 6:23 am to PatriotAlum
It’s a poorly written rule that is called inconsistently. Birmingham should of realized the impact to the next game and overturned. But Birmingham is being Birmingham.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 6:36 am to PatriotAlum
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:00 am to thotpocket
Mack Wilson No-Call targeting
Another view:
SEC officials: "Targeting? What targeting?"
Another view:
SEC officials: "Targeting? What targeting?"
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 7:03 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:25 am to PatriotAlum
Example # 1 trillion that Bama fans can’t read
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:31 am to Placebeaux
Anyone remember Loston getting a personal foul vs. ATM for TRYING to spear? He missed. Called anyway.
(pre-targeting rules)
(pre-targeting rules)
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:40 am to Placebeaux
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Very bad call but was it the worse targeting call ever? They called 35 for targeting.
They called 35 for targetting on that?!? And it was upheld by replay?!?
That is horseshite! The guy is clearly blocked into the QB.
That's one of the many reasons people HATE this rule. While we understand the INTENT of the rule, there is too much subjective application of it - like holding. The big difference, of course, is that a single call can affect not only the game being played but the next one as well.
It really needs to be carefully applied and consistently enforced. Neither of those two conditions are being met at the moment.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:57 am to km
quote:the rule makes it very clear it's not even close to just contact with the crown of the helmet
Note the rule says contact with "the crown" of the helmet
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