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re: Good read on NCAA "targeting"
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:57 am to I20goon
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:57 am to I20goon
quote:the way the rule is written this is correct - just like hurdling or attempting to hurdle
Anyone remember Loston getting a personal foul vs. ATM for TRYING to spear? He missed. Called anywa
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:58 am to PatriotAlum
Go frick your sister tard
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:58 am to km
It was a terrible call but you can still get legitimate targeting if you hit someone on the neck with your forearm. It's not about the helmet only.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:59 am to PensaTigers
I believe this is correct
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:02 am to PatriotAlum
Yep this is why the no call on the Bama guy against Tennessee is ridiculous. The rule is,very subjectively applied. In this case applied in favor of Alabama.
Bama will get at least two egregious calls or no,calls against LSU next week. We just have to,overcome them.
We have pundits saying our defense can hang with Bama. But they say we cannot,score on them. Maybe so. Sounds a lot like pre UGA pundits
Bama will get at least two egregious calls or no,calls against LSU next week. We just have to,overcome them.
We have pundits saying our defense can hang with Bama. But they say we cannot,score on them. Maybe so. Sounds a lot like pre UGA pundits
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:08 am to Statestreet
quote:
Mack Wilson No-Call targeting
Bad example. The runner is not defenseless, so unless you lead with the crown (which he did not), it's not targeting.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:13 am to choupiquesushi
I do believe Devin put both arms up as a gesture to go in doing his best to be legal.
It amazes me the excuses the refs are given..."well they make the best call they can. Everything happen s so fast." I can assure you it's equally as fast for the players.
I propose that when refs get the call wrong they must be suspended for at least 1 game, too.
It amazes me the excuses the refs are given..."well they make the best call they can. Everything happen s so fast." I can assure you it's equally as fast for the players.
I propose that when refs get the call wrong they must be suspended for at least 1 game, too.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:14 am to TexasTiger89
quote:
Birmingham should of realized the impact to the next game and overturned
The impact on the next game is exactly why they didn't overturn.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:17 am to slackster
quote:
lead with the crown (which he did not)
We must be looking at different hits, because the one posted clearly shows him leading with his helmet to the head.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:19 am to PatriotAlum
quote:No it shouldn't. People keep saying this. Roughing the quarterback should be called when the throw is completed early enough for the defender to pull up and he chooses not to. This was a simple case of a quarterback hurry causing an interception. All it was is a good play.
This is why the call should have been roughing the QB with a 15 yard penalty but without disqualifying White
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:23 am to Jester
quote:
We must be looking at different hits, because the one posted clearly shows him leading with his helmet to the head.
You can tackle someone facemask to facemask if you want, as long as he's not defenseless.
The targeting rule is a clusterfrick, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but the Mack Wilson hit posted is a bad example. That's not targeting, and if it happened to an LSU player I'd be irrate.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:35 am to slackster
quote:
The targeting rule is a clusterfrick, I'm not suggesting otherwise, but the Mack Wilson hit posted is a bad example.
unless I'm misinterpreting the rules ( LINK - see page 90 of the PDF), what Mack Wilson did is targeting. you can't lower your head/ lead with the helmet when making a tackle. there's an additional article (article 4) about defenseless players, but you can't do it on a plain old tackle attempt either.
maybe this was updated since Wilson's hit in 2016 (though the cover says 2016 and 2017). the rule just reads kinda funny because the Notes directly follow Article 4, though they pertain to Articles 3 and 4.
quote:
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet
ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)
Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)
Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to:
• Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area
• A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground
• Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area
• Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:43 am to PatriotAlum
quote:
White's face mask did hit the QB's helmet. The NCAA is trying to stop all contact against a passing QB's neck and head areas.
WRONG A$$HOLE.
Devin White CLEARLY used his hands and pushed Fitzgerald in the shoulder pads.
If there was even the MINUTEST of contact with Fitzgerald (which the above GIF does not show), it was caused by Fitzgerald lowering his facemask on top of Devin White's helmet as he was being PUSHED.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 8:45 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:44 am to PatriotAlum
quote:
"Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area"
Key word here, FORCIBLE. End of story!
for·ci·ble
/'fôrs?b(?)l/
adjective
adjective: forcible
done by force.
"signs of forcible entry"
synonyms: forced, violent
"forcible entry"
vigorous and strong; forceful.
This post was edited on 10/24/18 at 8:47 am
Posted on 10/24/18 at 8:49 am to PensaTigers
quote:
His face mask hit second on his head, hands on chest were the lead. By rule, not targetting.
Not exactly. If that were true, then all you have to do to avoid targeting is throw your arms out in front of you.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:27 am to ATLTiger
quote:
unless I'm misinterpreting the rules ( LINK - see page 90 of the PDF), what Mack Wilson did is targeting. you can't lower your head/ lead with the helmet when making a tackle. there's an additional article (article 4) about defenseless players, but you can't do it on a plain old tackle attempt either.
The crown and the corner of your facemask are two different things. Look at that Wilson hit. He hits the upper corner of his facemask basically on the jaw of the returner.
The way I read the rule, you can't lead with the crown ever, and you can't do the other stuff to a defenseless player.
Posted on 10/24/18 at 9:32 am to slackster
quote:
so unless you lead with the crown (which he did not),
Holy hell, what? Are you blind or just ignorant?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 10:09 am to slackster
quote:
Look at that Wilson hit. He hits the upper corner of his facemask basically on the jaw of the returner.
lol what?
Posted on 10/24/18 at 10:21 am to ATLTiger
Is that Noil's tooth flying out?
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