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re: Goal Line Offense
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:34 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:34 am to SidewalkTiger
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He had -12 rushing yards last year
I wonder if the 27 times he was sacked might have impacted that number?
Posted on 8/13/25 at 8:39 am to GirthMaxxxer
I truly DO NOT understand why in God's name you dont let MVB run these plays instead of JJ. He's athletic enough to do the run plays, but is also a big enough threat to throw the ball that the defense cannot completely sell out on the run.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:25 am to OJsLifeCoach
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I’m no X’s and O’s guy
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We can tell
If you have some great insight into running a successful goal line offense, please share
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 10:26 am
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:31 am to GirthMaxxxer
I was watching an old LSU game on the Tube the other day and forgot about true freshman Booger McFarland lining up as a fullback on short yardage situations.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:44 am to GirthMaxxxer
Why not do a true wildcat and just take Nuss out the game. That way your decoy who won’t do shite isn’t making your offense run at 10 players.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 10:50 am to GirthMaxxxer
Reports are that short yardage and goal-to-go are still problems for the offense.
I do not like going wildcat/direct snap with Nuss splitting out. Going 10v11 is stupid. I also like the look of putting an extra offensive lineman in the backfield with the QB.
Green needs to get a target every time LSU has a goal to go. Nuss needs to practice putting a ball 10’ in the air at the back of the endzone.
Hopefully, more explosive TDs will limit getting bogged down in the red zone.
I do not like going wildcat/direct snap with Nuss splitting out. Going 10v11 is stupid. I also like the look of putting an extra offensive lineman in the backfield with the QB.
Green needs to get a target every time LSU has a goal to go. Nuss needs to practice putting a ball 10’ in the air at the back of the endzone.
Hopefully, more explosive TDs will limit getting bogged down in the red zone.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 11:13 am
Posted on 8/13/25 at 11:09 am to skullhawk
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Nuss needs to practice putting a ball 10’ in the air at the back of the endzone.
I think Green could go get it
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:06 pm to skullhawk
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Green needs to get a target every time LSU has a goal to go.
That’s what I’m thinking. Run 11 personnel 90% of the time. opposing defenses will sh%t their pants worrying about having to cover Green , and it’ll help open up space for Durham/Kaleb. I feel like Sloan is over complicating it. Very few DB’s are going to be able to high point the ball over Green
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:29 pm to GirthMaxxxer
Lineup in the Power I, put Bernard Gooden at FB and run that shite through their chest
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:33 pm to GirthMaxxxer
I sure hope they installed some Nuss under center packages, because running from the gun on goal line and short yardage is dumb as frick.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:45 pm to lsuson
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Why not do a true wildcat and just take Nuss out the game. That way your decoy who won’t do shite isn’t making your offense run at 10 players.
One thing we and the media don’t know about practice is what the intent of some of the reps are. Here’s an example of where keeping Nuss out there could be useful- Sloan puts Johnson in at RB for a play. Maybe he carries the ball, maybe he doesn’t, but he’s on the field.
If you get into the red zone or catch the defense in an advantageous personnel package, you can split Nuss out and run JJ at wildcat on a hurry up quick snap. They can’t sub without potentially drawing a penalty or calling a TO, and even though they probably know what’s coming, they are still on the back foot with little time to communicate about assignments. I know they weren’t going hurry up yesterday, but to be able to do this, the set has to be worked in practice.
One of the other things you could do with Nuss to make the defense think would be to motion him toward Johnson before the snap. That would get the defense thinking about the possibility of him taking the ball on a roll for a pass instead of Johnson running. Even a fake jet would make the defense pause for a moment, which could be used to give Johnson a step into space.
If Nuss is just standing outside on a play from a standard huddle and count, then I agree it’s likely a waste. Unless Johnson throws him a TD pass at some point, his defender will just watch the ball. If he’s out there, he needs to be involved in the play to keep his man honest.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/13/25 at 12:54 pm to lowhound
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I sure hope they installed some Nuss under center packages, because running from the gun on goal line and short yardage is dumb as frick.
It’s only dumb if it doesn’t work. It works just fine if you have the right roster and matchups. We did this repeatedly in 2019, but that OL was more experienced and CEH was tough to bring down and could make guys miss in tight spaces.
They need to mix it up, which we did more of as last year went along. We ran some under center and even a little wishbone on the goal line by mid season and after. It was still a struggle, but they did try some of these sets. I don’t mind them mixing in a little wildcat like yesterday as long as they can refine it and execute.
One thing I hope helps this year will be better blocking TEs. Green is a year older and more physical, but Sharp could be a real upgrade there. We lost our true blocking TE right before last season, as Taylor was never better than average as a pure run blocker. They even used Bo Bordelon as a TE in some Goal Line sets. If you are running a single back offense, motioning or pulling inline TEs are a big part of a successful short yardage game.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:11 pm to mdomingue
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I wonder if the 27 times he was sacked might have impacted that number?
I'm sure it did however that means he had 42 rushing attempts otherwise and still ended up with negative rushing yards.
This dude can run, he isn't elite at it or anything though. Same with Nuss.
That's my point, you don't really gain anything by subbing Nuss for Van Buren in the red zone, it's a net loss really.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:13 pm to king47
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I truly DO NOT understand why in God's name you dont let MVB run these plays instead of JJ. He's athletic enough to do the run plays, but is also a big enough threat to throw the ball that the defense cannot completely sell out on the run.
Because JJ is a much better athlete.
MVB is basically a less accurate, less experienced Nussmeier.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:28 pm to Islandboy777
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I hope NUSS GETS UNDER CENTER and we run I formation
They will stack the box and blitz the house if we run from I formation as They will know it's a run play if we are under I formation as we would only pass from the Shotgun. Haven't seen an NFL or major college program throw from the I formation in a while. Maybe you can keep them honest by passing from under center every once in a while, but passing game is much more efficient from shotgun.
But I do agree that Shotgun running on the goal line is not smart either.
NUSS NEEDS TO QB SNEAK MORE. IT WORKED EVERYTIME LAST YEAR. Saw a study that QB sneaks pick up 1 yard or more 90% of the time where as the runs were significantly lower. I really hope BK uses QB sneaks more. It's damn near impossible to stop 4 straight QB sneaks at the 2 yard line.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:35 pm to misey94
I think you're getting into things that won't pan out the way you think. If Nuss is lined up at WR, it's a waste. No 2 ways around it. If you try to do a jet sweep pass like JJ field snap, handoff to Nuss, then Nuss pass, that's going to get blown up before Nuss can even look up. Also a lot of risk in that exchange, snap getting fumbled or something going wrong.
It's just a waste to have Nuss at any position besides QB as he is no asset other than passing.
I don't trust Kaleb Jackson at Wildcat either. He had a snap bounce off his facemask at practice and Delane ran it back 90 yards for a fumble 6. KJ obviously isn't a bright bulb as he would just run smack dab into the Center everytime last year, and didn't try at all to bounce outside. Expecting Kaleb Jackson to field a snap correctly, then run and pick up 5+ yards is about as likely as Natalie Portman texting me tomorrow.
It's just a waste to have Nuss at any position besides QB as he is no asset other than passing.
I don't trust Kaleb Jackson at Wildcat either. He had a snap bounce off his facemask at practice and Delane ran it back 90 yards for a fumble 6. KJ obviously isn't a bright bulb as he would just run smack dab into the Center everytime last year, and didn't try at all to bounce outside. Expecting Kaleb Jackson to field a snap correctly, then run and pick up 5+ yards is about as likely as Natalie Portman texting me tomorrow.
This post was edited on 8/13/25 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 8/13/25 at 1:42 pm to denvertiger
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You're going to have to get a little creative vs. Clemson in those situations.
I see a lot of jet sweeps, swing passes, WR screens in our offense.
Posted on 8/13/25 at 2:13 pm to grizzlylongcut
It's all about trying to get the numbers advantage or at least even in the run game. Goal line offense is hard because it's almost impossible to gets the numbers advantage due to less field to cover and allowing more defenders to be part of the run fit. You can actually block a play perfectly and still gain nothing. If I have 6 guys blocking and the defense has 7 guys fitting we aren't going to be successful.
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