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re: Give (a little) credit where it’s due, the play calling got better…

Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:05 pm to
Posted by GarTiger
West Monroe
Member since Oct 2019
2478 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:05 pm to
He just never seemed to understand how to utilize the talent available to him. His red-zone offense alone is grounds for going another direction, imo.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33002 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:21 pm to
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The truth about play calling is you can't actually judge playcalling unless you have the all 22, know the plays and know the players assignments. The rants breakdown of playcalling is ..... did the play get decent yards= good playcalling Did the play not get adequate yards= bad play calling.


You are getting a bunch of downvotes, but this is the truth. It doesn’t absolve Sloan of his mistakes and issues, but it’s true that players not executing can make the perfect play call look like shite.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66797 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:29 pm to
quote:

The truth about play calling is you can't actually judge playcalling unless you have the all 22, know the plays and know the players assignments. The rants breakdown of playcalling is ..... did the play get decent yards= good playcalling
Did the play not get adequate yards= bad play calling.

It only takes one player missing an assignment to frick up the best play called but our fan base is littered with football ignorant fans that couldn't tell you the numbers on the route tree or where the techniques line up on the dline without Google.


Most of the posters here can't get simple information correct yet try to judge something as intricate as playcalling.

It's a riot.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
33002 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:29 pm to
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A marginal running game improved the play calling.


The biggest issues with this offense have been the lack of a consistent running game and the lack of a deep ball threat and explosive plays. That makes us so much easier to defend and playcalling can only do so much to work around those issues.

Better running has helped, even though we’re just getting back to average numbers on the ground now. It’s still an improvement. The deep balls last night helped too. Those make the Safeties pay attention and open up space.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66797 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 4:32 pm to
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He acts like he didn't coach during the losses. USC can't beat their own scout team, yet he was outcoached.


You people think every loss means we got outcoached.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
10862 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 5:24 pm to
quote:

The truth about play calling is you can't actually judge playcalling unless you have the all 22, know the plays and know the players assignments. The rants breakdown of playcalling is ..... did the play get decent yards= good playcalling
Did the play not get adequate yards= bad play calling.

It only takes one player missing an assignment to frick up the best play called but our fan base is littered with football ignorant fans that couldn't tell you the numbers on the route tree or where the techniques line up on the dline without Google.

Except even the rant can recognize improvement from calling a run up the middle EVERY second and ten, making NO attempt to run it to the edge, never calling a screen, not calling quick throws when your interior line can't pass block, etc.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66797 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 5:25 pm to
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Except even the rant can recognize improvement from calling a run up the middle EVERY second and ten, making NO attempt to run it to the edge, never calling a screen, not calling quick throws when your interior line can't pass block, etc.


No they can't because the Rant doesn't know what was actually called.
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4528 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 9:20 pm to
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You people think every loss means we got outcoached.


Because I named a specific fricking game. He was outcoached. He ABSOLUTELY had the better talent and team. He fricked it up at every turn, including being overconfident and saying we'd win, even in interviews.
His position resonates with the team and it showed.
His defensive hire and the scheme is a tragedy. If he retains that DC, then he should be fired next year.

They are in over their head

And now, he's talking about keeping receipts? LOL. Why would he need them, every single criticism has been well earned by him. Again, he acts like he did nothing to receive those criticisms
This post was edited on 12/1/24 at 9:23 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66797 posts
Posted on 12/1/24 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

Because I named a specific fricking game. He was outcoached. He ABSOLUTELY had the better talent and team. He fricked it up at every turn, including being overconfident and saying we'd win, even in interviews.
His position resonates with the team and it showed.
His defensive hire and the scheme is a tragedy. If he retains that DC, then he should be fired next year.

They are in over their head

And now, he's talking about keeping receipts? LOL. Why would he need them, every single criticism has been well earned by him. Again, he acts like he did nothing to receive those criticisms


You're just a miserable person who doesn't understand he was joking around.
Posted by ShadowTigerTX
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2016
472 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:31 am to
Among many other good points already made in this thread, I'll add:

Nuss has to run more. Designed runs. Ad hoc runs. He has to keep it on option plays sometimes.

The defense completely ignores his threat to run, and if he runs once or twice a game, that's a trade off they're willing to make to stop the other plays.
Posted by la_birdman
Northern GA via Lake Charles
Member since Feb 2005
31961 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:34 am to
Eh.



I do however give Garrett a ton of credit for coming back after what looked like an injury that knocked him out of the game and playing the way he did. I don't see him being one to fake an injury like that.


Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20145 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:11 am to
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You people think every loss means we got outcoached.


Not every loss, but there are some. USC was a 6-6 team. UF 7-5. I'd like to think a HC with 33 years of experience coming into '24 could make a difference against a more talented team.
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
12697 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 2:18 am to
It doesn’t take a football guru to figure it out when it’s run right up the middle every 2nd down man lol
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 2:19 am
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
4528 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:21 am to
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You're just a miserable person who doesn't understand he was joking around.


Nah man. They don't get a dollar from me anymore.
BK is the miserable prick. He is known as hands off and he runs around chasing coeds. But he's hands ON when it's time to explain his trams shortcomings and blaming others.
Screaming is no longer an effective motivation tool for old parts like him.

FYI, ND is top 4, and the SEC school he came to isn't top 20. Weird how that happens, huh?

Yeah. But guys like you think he's gonna get better.

Hes a fraud and the kids don't like him. And bow he's losing.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28137 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:25 am to
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I haven’t noticed much difference in play calling, I see kids making plays.



Hilton catching the ball made Sloan look a lot better
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
19023 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:28 am to
quote:

You are getting a bunch of downvotes, but this is the truth. It doesn’t absolve Sloan of his mistakes and issues, but it’s true that players not executing can make the perfect play call look like shite.


Part of a good play call is calling a play you know the players can execute. If execution is the issue then the coaches either need to coach better during the week or call plays they’re confident players can execute.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
19023 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:29 am to
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Nuss has to run more. Designed runs. Ad hoc runs. He has to keep it on option plays sometimes.


I think just the scrambles on covered pass plays is the most important. Linebackers drop wayyy back in coverage on us.
Posted by Sheriff Brackett
St. Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2024
340 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:30 am to
I mean it only took until the final game of the year to change some things up...
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6149 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:53 am to
Good teams, good coaching does not come around on the last game of the season - especially with the talent this team has.

This is Lout Tepper type nonsense. Use your talent to the best of their abilities not your overthinking brain. Quit out coaching yourself.

BK's inability to have this team focused and ready is concerning - like Miles and clock management. He better figure out coordinators and game 1 for next season.

They basically had to almost kill Nuss before they got their head's out of their @sses.
Posted by TheDeathValley
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2010
20105 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 8:59 am to
No thanks, Sloan has to go.
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