re: Getting a little tired of hearing 8-8 argument

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I wouldn't want to change allegiances, but I guarantee all three of these will have better SEC records than LSU will over the rest of Miles' tenure.

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This

And I will add, Miles will never win the SEC again.

A coach's quality is measured by where the program was when he started and where it went under his control. If it started bad and got good, then he's good. If it started good and got bad, he's bad. If it started good and stayed good, he's probably good. If it started bad and stayed bad, he's probably bad.


I think this is a great point, but the original poster's point is that we need to wait until after next season to make this judgement. If next season is 10-2 or better, then Miles basically had one down season. If it is 9-3 or worse, then he is definitely trending downward.

Funny thing next year LSU can go 5-3 in SEC and finish with a worse record than this year.

With UNC so early in schedule you could see a Washington type game only they are more talented with a better coach who could pull out that game. LSU will still be figuring itself out and breaking in new players at critical positions along the lines and possibly a new coordinator.

Then a few weeks later LSU has to prepare for West Virginia which runs an option offense. This will prove to be another early test for LSU. This is another team LSU can not coast and expect to win like say ULL/LA Tech etc.

Mississippi State is obviously improving, they played LSU very well this year and should have come away with victory if you just look at the numbers.

Tennessee is improving and they have a very legit defense along with talented running backs. They just need a QB who can protect the ball and not make silly mistakes. Same can be said with Auburn that they improved from last year, can they make the next step?

Arkansas with Mallett and Ole Miss with Snead will still be a thorn in LSU side.

Then you have the big boys of Florida and Bama, the guys LSU is trying to catch again. After playing them tough this year can LSU expect more of the same?

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LSU loses a lot this year -- you think they're not going to lose those games? Really?

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ugghhh and Florida will be better next year than this year. The freaking stupidity on this site is amazing. LSU will easily be better next year than this year. We do lose a lot of talent but so many of the loses are going to be as good or better. QB, WR, RB should all be better next year than this year assuming TT returns.

DB should also be pretty solid. If we don't lose all our linebackers we will probably be ok there. Hopefully a certain JR (#11) doesn't leave from the pro's earlier than expected.

Half of our line is made up of Freshman and Soph's. We had just as many that redshirted that were just as good.

I personally think we are replacing a lot of quality people with guys that will be better than them.

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ugghhh and Florida will be better next year than this year. The freaking stupidity on this site is amazing. LSU will easily be better next year than this year. We do lose a lot of talent but so many of the loses are going to be as good or better. QB, WR, RB should all be better next year than this year assuming TT returns.

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QB -- Well, theoretically, JJ may be better with another off-season. Yes. Chris Garret may push him. Okay.

WR -- Even if TT does stay, we are not only losing BL but CM and RJ as well. Yes RR will step into two role, but we don't have depth there. We're replacing a WR coach and the position is uncertain at best.

RB -- Are you basing this on MIles' proven ability to get RS the ball? How are we better at that position next year? Yes Ridley and Ford may develop but that's a guess.

Big problems at OL, DL, and LB. Chavis makes one feel better about the possibilities at LB for next year, but we just don;t know what those players will be like and DL and OL are a complete disaster right now. The OL was horrible this year, how do you think that gets solved -- by the emergence of Chris Faulk?

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UT in a major rebuilding year went 4-4 in the SEC this season. I did not believe UT would win 6 games total, plus they had a horrible QB who had sucked the past two seasons.

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Could say the same about other teams. For instance...we were not sure what we had on offense or on defense. I thought UT actually would be much better since their only competition in the east was UF.

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I think this is a great point, but the original poster's point is that we need to wait until after next season to make this judgement. If next season is 10-2 or better, then Miles basically had one down season. If it is 9-3 or worse, then he is definitely trending downward.

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That is essentially what I'm saying. It's not 100% about the W-L record (past, present, and future), but it's close.

I don't disagree that there is reason for concern. There is. I'm very concerned.

2008 was, by all accounts, an unacceptable year. 2009 has been much more grey. We see many flashes of 2008 and it scares the crap out of us. 10-3/9-4 is a pretty good season, but many see it as a veneer for a pretty mediocre team and/or staff.

Miles needs to show in 2010 that we are one of the big boys again. That's a very subjective determination, so I'm not going to hang a specific record or accomplishment on it.

In 2008, we were a mid-pack (at best) SEC team.

In 2009, we are at the top of the "... and all the rest" SEC teams. There's UF and Bama and then the rest of the SEC.

2010 needs to be an improvement over 2009.

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You think we go 2-6 in league play next year and he is the one who isn't dealing with reality?

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I mean, they did go 3-5 last year...

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No matter the record, 2009 looked a lot more like 2008 than 2005-2007

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I agree

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...and 2010 will be more of the same

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If so, then I'll be willing to entertain a coaching change.

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Only delaying the inevitable

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Well, at least he has a chance to right the ship in your eyes!

It doesn't hold much water with me for the mere fact that the 2nd of the two years was an improved record against an equitable schedule. 3 and 3 against bowl-bound teams that obviously could have been as much as 5-1. Miles has the same record this season as NS had to end his 5th year and Nick's defense totally blew his last game. It''s coming to light more and more that Les and Crowton have been at odds for most of the last two seasons and a change at OC and other positions is probably forthcoming. In addition, of the four teams that have a better "two-year SEC record" than the Tigers, I predict that only 'Bama will be improved next season to the extent of LSU's expected improvement. Florida will slide back toward the pack in the east while UGA and UT should be slightly better. OM will slide and if Snead bolts for money they will plummet. Due to Les' affinity for playing loyal seniors(insert Alem,Woods,Alexander) I expect Chief's defense to improve dramatically next season with the influx of good D-line talent as well as a fast group of young Lb'ers. On the offense, Hitt's position will be improved and not so sure that young Faulk can't step right into CB's large shoes. Young recievers and backs will have to step forward but with an improved O-line and better QB play the new OC should like what he sees. Look for RS to blossom as the wildcard type player he can be. No more Trindon Hollidays but there's lots of talented return guys on this team, RS, RB, JW just to name a few. Special teams should still be better than average even with TH. Bottom-line, unless the Tigers slide back to an '08 type performance in the conference next season, there appears to be no need to cry wolf at this time IMHO.