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re: Georgia was better coached
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:40 am to panzer
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:40 am to panzer
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Their baseline offense and overall attack was better. LSU has more talent. LSU has zero baseline scheme- it’s just a pick up game - but that’s the style of play these days I’m told. We missed four alley oops and Naz threw away three passes to the low post- there is no low post or baseline game. Saying that I can’t wait to see us lay Tennessee
I've been a basketball coach for over 10 years and I've never heard another coach or anybody talk about a "baseline" game. Georgia was in zone a bunch last night and while LSU struggled here and there against it they attacked it the correct way and scored plenty of points. Against Man LSU ran high PnR sets and a few cross screen sets to get Naz the ball. Overall very effective which is why we scored 90.
Georgia shot the ball from 3 much better than they have all year. They shot 47% on mostly contested 3's when they normally shoot around 25% LSU shot worse from 3 than normal despite all but 2 of those looks were wide open. Despite that LSU still won by 10.
TLDR: LSU didn't play great and still won by 10. OP knows nothing about basketball.
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:41 am to panzer
75th downvote
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:42 am to MrSavage
Why can't people comprehend that basketball past the high school level is not running set plays over and over. Even at the high level of high school basketball, you don't see a whole ton of sets. Here is why.
1- these games are so well scouted. You can maybe get away with running a set play once. If it's not recognized from scouting, it might work. Running it more than that, the play will be picked up and shut down. Then you get a jacked up shot (which is what you all complain about).
2- You would have to have like 50 set plays each game. And new sets would have to constantly be learned. It's not realistic.
3- once a set play breaks down, you are sometimes completely out of your offense.
4- these are super athletes. Limiting your options to from A to B, B to C, C to D for a easy lay up will not work often.
This is not little league basketball, where you can run the same set play over and over and have it work every time.
College offense, and all of them (not just LSU) are usually motion based. If defender A does this, then the offense does that. It's based off the defenses reaction (whether they switch or don't switch, whether they deny or sag, whether they play the post under or over, how much help defense they provide). It may look like running around to you, or street ball, but it's not.
And for the record, LSU does run set plays at certain points of the game.
1- these games are so well scouted. You can maybe get away with running a set play once. If it's not recognized from scouting, it might work. Running it more than that, the play will be picked up and shut down. Then you get a jacked up shot (which is what you all complain about).
2- You would have to have like 50 set plays each game. And new sets would have to constantly be learned. It's not realistic.
3- once a set play breaks down, you are sometimes completely out of your offense.
4- these are super athletes. Limiting your options to from A to B, B to C, C to D for a easy lay up will not work often.
This is not little league basketball, where you can run the same set play over and over and have it work every time.
College offense, and all of them (not just LSU) are usually motion based. If defender A does this, then the offense does that. It's based off the defenses reaction (whether they switch or don't switch, whether they deny or sag, whether they play the post under or over, how much help defense they provide). It may look like running around to you, or street ball, but it's not.
And for the record, LSU does run set plays at certain points of the game.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:42 am to High C
UGA is actually a more experienced team than LSU.
If anything Crean is underachieving with that group but he needs to get his own players in there to buy in. UGA had times when they were not cohesive at all and that was the difference in the game.
Problem is LSU will lose most of their post and will have to start over next year
If anything Crean is underachieving with that group but he needs to get his own players in there to buy in. UGA had times when they were not cohesive at all and that was the difference in the game.
Problem is LSU will lose most of their post and will have to start over next year
Posted on 1/24/19 at 7:43 am to panzer
Wade has an NBA caliber ball handler at PG and athletic, skilled bigs. Why on earth would they not run high pick and roll consistently?
You adjust your offense to your talent and experience level. Wade has done exactly that.
You adjust your offense to your talent and experience level. Wade has done exactly that.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:09 am to geauxjo
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Disagree. Modern college hoops doesn’t allow for much of this “wait” process. Some of these young guys careers at LSU are about to wrap up so to speak.
Current number 1 team is led by mostly juniors and seniors.
There are two ways to win in college basketball these days. Load your team up with one and dones or get you a bunch of program guys that will be great by the time they are juniors and seniors.
The one and done route may keep you consistently up there but unless you are a blue blood this is something tough to do consistently.
The other way you may have some down years but every 2 to 3 years you could have a great team.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:15 am to panzer
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Their baseline offense and overall attack was better. LSU has more talent. LSU has zero baseline scheme- it’s just a pick up game - but that’s the style of play these days I’m told. We missed four alley oops and Naz threw away three passes to the low post- there is no low post or baseline game.
Are you just using this as an opportunity to hone your NeverO rhetoric during the off season? Give this young team a chance. They are growing up before our eyes.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:18 am to Lsutigerturner
You should have watched Wade's interview after the game.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:30 am to panzer
LSU's offense is essentially a high ball screen and let the guards create looks. That may not work for every team. But when you have one of the best PG's in the country, one who may be the best offense creator in all of the NCAA, you let him do his thing. It would be foolish not to. It may not look as "pretty" as on offense with movement away from the ball and constant back cuts, but the results don't lie. LSU is 15th in offensive efficiency. That's very close to national champion type efficiency.
If you want to criticize Wade offense isn't your gripe. However, my one concern is the defense, or lack thereof. This has been a constant problem since he's been the HC here. Last year it was attributed to a lack of talent. This year that talent is there, but (absent some games here and there) the defense has only been marginally better. Wade constantly harps on it, yet it never really gets significantly better (at least on a consistent basis)
Last week was such an encouragement in that dept only for them to look terrible last night. Personally, I think it's fair to question Wade's approach. It appears LSU is selling out to create turnovers. That's fine, when it works. But when you miss on creating the TO, everyone ends up in bad position and you give up easy baskets.
Think about it. LSU forced 17 turnovers last night BUT UGA, one of the worst offensive teams in the league coming into the game, still shot 54% overall and nearly 50% from three...on the road.
LSU's defense is largely feast or famine. Either they create a big play (steal or block) or they allow a good shot. Rarely are they forcing contested shots. It's either the opponent doesn't get a shot at the rim OR they get a good look and you just have to hope they miss it.
I'd happily take a slightly lower steals/TO number if it meant LSU was forcing tougher shots
If you want to criticize Wade offense isn't your gripe. However, my one concern is the defense, or lack thereof. This has been a constant problem since he's been the HC here. Last year it was attributed to a lack of talent. This year that talent is there, but (absent some games here and there) the defense has only been marginally better. Wade constantly harps on it, yet it never really gets significantly better (at least on a consistent basis)
Last week was such an encouragement in that dept only for them to look terrible last night. Personally, I think it's fair to question Wade's approach. It appears LSU is selling out to create turnovers. That's fine, when it works. But when you miss on creating the TO, everyone ends up in bad position and you give up easy baskets.
Think about it. LSU forced 17 turnovers last night BUT UGA, one of the worst offensive teams in the league coming into the game, still shot 54% overall and nearly 50% from three...on the road.
LSU's defense is largely feast or famine. Either they create a big play (steal or block) or they allow a good shot. Rarely are they forcing contested shots. It's either the opponent doesn't get a shot at the rim OR they get a good look and you just have to hope they miss it.
I'd happily take a slightly lower steals/TO number if it meant LSU was forcing tougher shots
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:34 am to mhc4tigers
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mhc4tigers
Questions Will Wade but throws a bitch fit anytime someone questions Orgeron.
Interesting.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:37 am to panzer
Who won?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:38 am to panzer
The team was a little flat last night. It happens.
Defensively, we struggled adapting to back door cuts late and it made the game much closer than it really was.
Our shooting was off from the 3 compared to past games.
I am happy the team got exposed for the defensive breakdowns against this team. Now Will Wade has tape to make adjustments and I bet we improve greatly in this area.
Naz turned the ball over a few times when he put the ball on the floor with guards at his back. That can be fixed as well.
We had 8 turnovers? That is really good.
Great time to have a poor performance against this team as we got the win and should learn from our mistakes.
But, GA is not better coached.
Defensively, we struggled adapting to back door cuts late and it made the game much closer than it really was.
Our shooting was off from the 3 compared to past games.
I am happy the team got exposed for the defensive breakdowns against this team. Now Will Wade has tape to make adjustments and I bet we improve greatly in this area.
Naz turned the ball over a few times when he put the ball on the floor with guards at his back. That can be fixed as well.
We had 8 turnovers? That is really good.
Great time to have a poor performance against this team as we got the win and should learn from our mistakes.
But, GA is not better coached.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:39 am to panzer
WW has totally rebuilt this program, beat a conference opponent by double digits on a wednesday night and is undefeated in the league. i'll give the guy a break.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:43 am to panzer
Anybody that complains about this team's offense has no credibility. Against SC we made a total of 3 3-pointers and scored 80+. Last night we went cold from 3 in the 2nd half a scored 90+
We are ranked top 15 in offensive efficiency
The problem last night is we lost focus on defense in the 2nd half
We are ranked top 15 in offensive efficiency
The problem last night is we lost focus on defense in the 2nd half
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:44 am to nicholastiger
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If anything Crean is underachieving with that group
Oh FFS.
This team barely went .500 last season with the 2nd best player in school history in Maten. We lost him, we graduated a solid contributing senior in Parker, and have zero PGs. We barely have a single player on the roster he inherited that you could even call an adequate guard period.
We aren't a good team at all and I doubt anyone would try to convince you we are, but to say that Crean is underachieving is simply laughable.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:48 am to Alt26
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However, my one concern is the defense, or lack thereof. This has been a constant problem since he's been the HC here. Last year it was attributed to a lack of talent. This year that talent is there, but (absent some games here and there) the defense has only been marginally better. Wade constantly harps on it, yet it never really gets significantly better (at least on a consistent basis)
Before last night, the defense had been really good for basically an entire month... So to say the improvement is sporadic is just not true, they had an off night last night...
I partially blame that on exactly what was talked about after the game, they knew UGA could not stop them and they'd score virtually every time down (hence 92 points, could have been well over 100), so mentally they slacked off defensively.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 8:56 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Defensively, we struggled adapting to back door cuts late and it made the game much closer than it really was.
We got lazy down the stretch and starting trying to switch that down screen and they would straight back door cut or slip it. WW will show it on film 1000 times and that part will get fixed.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 9:08 am to panzer
I believe Wade is a good coach he is young and full of energy and will get better. What we have is a batch of bad fans and you’re at the head of the class.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 9:12 am to panzer
I don't believe LSU was out-coached but Tom Crean is really, really, really good. If Georgia can start recruiting they're going to be a problem.
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