re: Funny to read these McMahon/ basketball threads from a month ago....

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We also lost one of our best players (Jalen Reed) vs FSU to a torn ACL for the season

We need to give MM one more year imo

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The moment that injury happened I said to my friend whom I share tickets with "Well, there's the excuse needed get another year...regardless of how the season goes."

Reed was on McMahon's first team....that was awful
He was a starter last year on a mediocre team
This year his first 6 games looked EXACTLY like the first two seasons. Some games he was dominant. Others, particularly against opponents he should dominate, he was a non-factor. Hell, like I said, he got benched for the second half of the Kansas St. game because McMahon accidently figured out Chest is a damn good rebounder. (That's not hyperbole. Chest played only 3 minutes, total, in the first two games. He wasn't going to play much, if at all, vs. KSU until Fountain was a late injury scratch)

Reed is not a bad player by any means. But he's NEVER been a hugely impactful player. Yet, we have some on here acting like this is the equivalent to the Kenyon Martin injury way back when, and that his loss means LSU shouldn't even consider the rest of the games when evaluating McMahon.

It's truly bizarre. In all of my years of being an LSU fan I've never seen a coach treated with such kid-gloves despite no record of success whatsoever. He has a .330 winning % vs power conf opponents, and that number is almost assuredly going to go DOWN from here. Yet, many (or maybe just a very vocal minority) twist themselves fantasy land logical pretzels to blame EVERYTHING but the coach for the woeful results

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It's truly bizarre. In all of my years of being an LSU fan I've never seen a coach treated with such kid-gloves despite no record of success whatsoever. He has a .330 winning % vs power conf opponents, and that number is almost assuredly going to go DOWN from here. Yet, many (or maybe just a very vocal minority) twist themselves fantasy land logical pretzels to blame EVERYTHING but the coach for the woeful results

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Yeah, it's quite strange.

I think there are a few different factions.

1 - Fans of CoachMc over fans of LSU MBB. I don't know how they came to be this way, either they followed CMM over to LSU or they just got enamored somehow. These are the usual suspects that absolve CoachMc of any responsibility or accountability for results.

2 - The eternal optimists. These are guys that can see the likely writing on the wall, but choose to hope it goes away before they are forced to embrace it. They're real fans and follow the program.

3 - The non fans. These guys don't care for CBB or LSU MBB at all, but they have no issue chiming in with an opinion. They will generally mimic the he needs 4-5 years rhetoric - because why not, they don't watch the games anyway.

4 - The Will Wade haters. Somehow CWW pissed off a certain group, even prior to any allegations or regurgitated articles, etc. He was winning - NIT first year, SEC Champs 2nd year - and they were bitching and complaining about muh streetball, talent only, X's and O's. They would have embraced any coach not named Will Wade once he was fired. This is why it can be fun to bring up Will Wade and watch them start melting and making up shite.


There are probably other factions and subsects, but most CoachMc apologists I've interacted with enough fit into one or more of these groups, and there is a lot of crossover between groups 3 and 4. They don't care about LSU MBB and they didn't like CWW at a personal level - either he was too brash or overshadowed one of the favorite coaches on campus, etc.

Btw, this isn't to say that CoachMc can't turn it around, but to pretend it's not getting dire usually comes from one of the above groups.

I will add this:

Certain members of an above mentioned faction have accused me of being a Will Wade fanboy and not an LSU MBB fan.

MK and I have posted about MBB a lot and know I'm older than he is.

I started my own true LSU sports fandom (outside of family driven) around 9-10 years old. That is circa 79-81. LSU MBB was on my radar as I like the game. I remember quite a few things... My Saturday started with Catechism (usually hoping to get out of it), Saturday morning cartoons, watching Notre Dame basketball under Digger Phelps at 11:00am (they were always on TV, NBC I think - I've gotten over that lol), and watching LSU Basketball if it was airing or listening on the radio.

I was a fan before Will Wade was even born.

So when some assholes throw accusations at me, I have a big frick you. frick you and frick you.

Again, I'm not naming names, but you know who you are.

So if I come across as an a-hole, I have reasoning behind it. I even tell and preempt friends to not frick with me about LSU MBB. I wear it on my sleeve. I'm a fan of other sports too, but I generally wouldn't dominate any conversation and let everyone be.

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GROUP 5: [REDACTED]

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Don't redact, what did you say? Be honest.

The dishonesty and disingenuous posting about LSU MBB is what bothers the real fans the most.


ETA: I see you didn't edit. My points stand as is.

Drizz, the problem is people like me, you, madking, Atl, we support the letters in the jersey and players and coach’s are not above the university. We are gonna support the basketball no matter what regardless of the coach or players because we love the game and want it to be on a level that we are able to participate in it in March. We are all older and have seen the bad teams and see the writing on the wall way easier than most on this board. Plus we are students of the game so when people throw X’s and O’s at us it’s easy for us to debunk if they really know basketball. Yes we critic our coach’s but as we should because this is a message board and we are not gonna just blow sunshine up each others arse cause we “like” a coach or player. When we question coach Mac it’s easily misunderstood for “we don’t like our coach’s and hope he sucks”. But I know this is false cause us select basketball few are passionate about the program and want us to be elite. I consider this group the real Tiger fans.

this is one of the best takes I've seen!!!!

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Maybe you're the one with the head in the sand/?

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LSU competing
Lsu's loss to TX is just as impressive.

You’re an objectively stupid person. You don’t know shite about basketball. You being satisfied with mediocrity in your life does not mean everyone else has to accept it in theirs.

Inexperienced team ? We start 3 seniors and a junior . It’s painfully obvious McMahon doesn’t have it , he’s never gonna compete with the other coaches in this conference consistently . We have no identity , we don’t have strength to Lean on like most teams , his rotations and feel for the game suck , he has no idea how to get fans excited about the product . Why waste time and do this again next year , he seems like a great guy , but it’s time we get serious ab men’s basketball and to find someone to turn this thing around

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Saban said LSU fans are fickle.

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My loyalty to our coach in exile is unwavering