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re: Fumble play vs Kellen Mond play (picture comparison)
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:11 pm to jrodLSUke
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:11 pm to jrodLSUke
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THIS. Brooks had possession. That was the call on the field. The replay had to show “indisputable” evidence that Brooks didn’t have possession. It didn’t. The call should not have been reversed.
I agree with this to an extent - it can be argued if he had possession or not. If it can be argued, I think that violates the definition of indisputable. While they used the fact that he had it knocked out to demonstrate he didn’t complete the recovery, it could still be argued he had possession and was making a football move to the ground to prepare for the pileup. Players with possession can lose possession.
Again, this all comes down to the very subjective rule of completing the catch/recovery. The call goes the other way and it’s not like bama comes out swinging with this elaborate rebuttal that was used to overturn the call on the field. As I said in another thread, if you are looking at this play with this level of scrutiny, the rest of the game ought to be called clean
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:12 pm to deathvalleytiger10
quote:This is one of numerous subjective rules in the books which allow refs to favor a team while still going "by the book".
How long do you have to possess the ball to possess it?
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:15 pm to JOJO Hammer
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If a wide receiver goes out of bounds (on his own) and is the first to touch the ball it is a penalty.
So (this) is the reason why he could interfere with the play on the field from out of bounds?
For instance, if the ball had been picked up, could he come back in bounds and tackle the carrier??
Can he battle for possession while out of bounds??
Seems like this is the explanation of the weirdness = since he was knocked out of bounds, he is still an eligible player to participate in the action?
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:18 pm to WaWaWeeWa
One was a bad call, the other a correct call neither had possession.
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:36 pm to Korkstand
Very subjective BS as always vs Bama. Also Drew Brees has forgot more football than any of us will ever know and he even found it such a shitty call he tweeted during the game it should be LSU’s ball an we got hosed.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:24 am to WaWaWeeWa
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There is another picture with his knee on the ground I just couldn’t find it.
I think the call could have gone either way, but we all know the SEC is going to try and protect Bama. That is just how it is in the SEC.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:49 am to WaWaWeeWa
It was a wild rule for sure that obviously took the spotlight but what a play by Sage Ryan to get that ball out to begin with.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:04 am to OceanMan
quote:I dont see the call as anything but a terrible rule. But the biggest case for possession in my opinion, is tha the retained the ball. Fumble recoveries are tough and I am sure the ball moves constantly as it is punched and clawed at.
Players with possession can lose possession.
Overall I just dont see how you can have a clear fumble, a clear recovery and say that what would be an illegal touch most of the time negates the recovery. Bad rule.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:08 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Unless he is not. Yep, that makes sense, lets put it in the rulebook.
= since he was knocked out of bounds, he is still an eligible player to participate in the action?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:09 am to Penrod
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because he didn’t control it long enough to have possession
Point to the rule that has anything about duration of touching before possession is established. Who makes that call? It’s subjective.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:24 am to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
Fumble play vs Kellen Mond play (picture comparison)
The two situations are not even remotely comparable. Kellen Mond was not playing Alabama that day.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:22 am to tigerfoot
Here's my biggest problem.
I have watched a lot of football in my life. I've never seen this rule enforced this way on a fumble near the sideline. Never.
A lot of Bama fans have said that the reason Patrick Peterson's INT was ruled out of bounds was because Jones touched the ball out of bounds. Maybe, but that wasn't the explanation of the call at the time. (Original ruling was PP didn't intercept, and the call "stood".)
This time, the ref announced that was the ruling to overturn.
Have never seen that.
GEAUX TIGERS!
I have watched a lot of football in my life. I've never seen this rule enforced this way on a fumble near the sideline. Never.
A lot of Bama fans have said that the reason Patrick Peterson's INT was ruled out of bounds was because Jones touched the ball out of bounds. Maybe, but that wasn't the explanation of the call at the time. (Original ruling was PP didn't intercept, and the call "stood".)
This time, the ref announced that was the ruling to overturn.
Have never seen that.
GEAUX TIGERS!
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