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re: Fulton halfway through a two-year suspension

Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by broadcaster
Maurepas
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:33 pm to
People this was not a recreational drug test he failed. He tampered with a performance-enhancing drug test
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:37 pm to
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He dilute it a performance-enhancing drug test

Not at all

A diluted test would be a re-test at the testing center

This is a tampering suspension. The reason why he tampered is unknown

There are multiple possibilities


1. Fulton was tested during the regular year. Which means as noted earlier, the ncaa does not test for recreational drugs. Fulton was unaware of this, smoked weed, and was afraid of a fail that couldnt happen so he tampered with his sample-Fulton is an idiot


2. Fulton was tested during the bowl game against Louisville, the ncaa does test for recreational drugs here, he smoked weed and tampered with his sample-He shouldnt smoke weed, but I am not going to get on a high horse about a college kid doing this. And a failed weed test for the NCAA is a year long suspension.

3. Fulton was tested during the bowl game OR regular against, was actually on PEDs, so he knew he needed to tamper no matter what and got caught
This post was edited on 3/12/18 at 3:39 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33860 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:38 pm to
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Hard to believe the number of people blaming someone else, other than Fulton. Yep, let's all just call the whole situation O's fault cause how could this be the kids fault.


Do you seriously not see that people are blaming Orgeron for not making sure that we took a CB in this past class?
Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

I think people are blaming O for not recruiting this position knowing the lack of players available


no shite. but leave it to O-tards to not have the wherewithal to figure this out.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61746 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:43 pm to
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I keep seeing people saying he tampered with one and failed one. That's simply not the case. THE TAMPERED ONE IS AUTOMATICALLY CONSIDERED FAILED. So what he is facing is basically double jeopardy for one test. Now, I'm not saying what the punishment should be but we are talking college kids.

I think an appeal based on the 'I was a dumb kid and freaked out and did something stupid' should go a long ways to reversing the 2nd year. To treat one test as 2 separate incidents really should be addressed.

I won't even touch the whole recruiting fiasco this year.



I think 2 years is nuts. HOWEVER, it does make sense that the punishment for tampering is greater than the punishment for failing a test. Otherwise, why would anyone who is going to test dirty not attempt to tamper?

This sucks for everyone involved. LSU needs Fulton badly...and in a similar manner, Fulton is going to watch an opportunity that most don't get just pass him by.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
18891 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 3:46 pm to
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Do you seriously not see that people are blaming Orgeron for not making sure that we took a CB in this past class?
I thought it was pretty obvious. Guess not.

And think about this, to intentionally egg some of this on:

If Fulton was busted during testing for Louisiville game, that means TWO signing days have passed. Not just 1.
Posted by MLCLyons
Member since Nov 2012
4764 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:24 pm to
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Not recruiting a CB this year knowing the Fulton suspension was for two years was ALL his fault!


But he did recruit CBs. Just because they chose to go elsewhere doesn't mean we didn't try. Plus we did get Vincent and 4 safeties, its not like we didn't sign any DBs the last 2 years.
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
9182 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:27 pm to
While Fulton clearly made a couple big mistakes here, two years is absolutely ridiculous.

The Olympics Committee allowed like over 75% of the Russian atheletes to compete in the Olympics after it was determined they tampered with urine samples the prior olympics. The fricking Olympics!! Give me a break with this 2 year ban, NCAA.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61746 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:28 pm to
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And think about this, to intentionally egg some of this on:

If Fulton was busted during testing for Louisiville game, that means TWO signing days have passed. Not just 1.




I'll go further. Orgeron deserves all of the blame he gets. But, Raymond deserves blame. And, so does Aranda.

Neither of those guys should have been willing to allow what happened to happen.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:29 pm to
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But he did recruit CBs. Just because they chose to go elsewhere doesn't mean we didn't try


He only tried for Surtain, meaning he had to go out of his way to not recruit others.
Posted by HighlandRD_ZERO25
Member since Jun 2016
622 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:36 pm to
Even without Fulton this year the secondary will be just fine. It's not going to be as much of a dominant strength as in the past....but we're still talking about having possibly the best overall cover corner in the SEC if not the whole of college football starting against every teams Number 1 Wideout in Greedy, having another guy in Kirklan who has played well enough to hold off Kary Vincent thus far, who himself will be the starting nickel corner and direct backup to either of the two starting corner spots...you have an absolutely loaded back end with the safety spots being a clear position group of strength with Delpit and company back there, you've got the best DB from the state coming in and will be immediately thrown into the rotation for the nickel spot and you have two Wideouts turned into DBs so far in Netherly and McMath, and the possible graduate transfer that has been rumored seems to be a very real thing as of now. Look I get it's not ideal and that we should be much better off had we gotten Surtain or Goodrich or both, but this is not like we've suddenly turned into freaking Texas tech or something. Greedy is going to literally shut down an entire half of the field and will be more than enough to handle everything teams best guy game after game. I have confidence in a guy like Jontre who has held off the former Five star and second overall corner in his class per ESPN and was a consensus top 50 kid otherwise on 247 in Kary Vincent....that tells me that they are not so bad off....and guys seriously.....The safeties are not struggling...they are going to be a serious problem for teams....Delpit and Stevens are both future NFL players...the world is not nearly falling down on us and it's time to stop acting like we are just going to all of the sudden be a secondary incapable of stopping anyone. This defense is going to be better than last years and that unit was a top 15 unit. The DB haul that the class of 2019 brings in is going to be seriously ridiculous....the potential for having multiple 5 star DBs is not just a slight possibility it's more likely to happen than to not.....when signing day 2019 rolls around and we end up with a top 3-5 and maybe even better than that possibly....overall class that features around 4-5 5 star talents and a number close to 15 players that are in the top 250 then maybe we might all remember that were doing just fine. Seriously. Get the sand out of your freaking snatches already.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
18891 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:38 pm to
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I'll go further. Orgeron deserves all of the blame he gets. But, Raymond deserves blame. And, so does Aranda.

Neither of those guys should have been willing to allow what happened to happen.
Agreed. All 3 should have been considering the consequences and what-ifs with the strategy used. Both on a personal level and for the program.

One has to think that Raymond especially is personally (because of professionally) affected. He should have been the most insistent and vociferous (within the Staff, not public media) about having a backup plan... because he's the one that has the most to gain/lose. Orgeron and Aranda are close seconds, but he has a slightly more direct impact. It's his position.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:45 pm to
Paragraphs are your friends.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
70762 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 4:54 pm to
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Fulton might not have even known what drugs were being tested for--just knew that he had taken something (Adderall which the NCAA tests


I was a former athlete, the NCAA does not specifically test for that
Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:09 pm to
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Neither of those guys should have been willing to allow what happened to happen.


sure, but the head coach makes the final call. the buck stops with him.

what happened with Fulton is unfortunate, and apparently unprecedented if I am reading the article correctly, but as with most things, how you handle adversity is what people will judge you on.

Orgeron didn't have anything to do with Fulton's suspension, but he has to play the hand he was dealt. Knowing that there was a 50% chance Fulton would be ineligible in 2018, signing a CB became that much more of a priority.

to me, this lack of planning/foresight speaks to a larger issue that Orgeron does not have contingency plans for when things do not go his way. The OC issue is a perfect example of this, as Orgeron was certain he would have Kiffin as his OC, and it seemed as though it never even crossed his mind that he should have had a list of candidates ready to go. this is further evidenced by the fact that it was reported that he made ANOTHER run at Kiffin after LSU and Canada "parted ways".
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61746 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:17 pm to
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sure, but the head coach makes the final call. the buck stops with him.



That's why I said Orgeron deserves all of the blame he's going to get.

But, there is no plausible scenario where Aranda and Raymond aren't equally at fault. You can't be a yes man to the point where you end up with 4 scholarship CBs. And, you can't elephant hunt only when you have 4 scholarship CBs.

I have a sneaky suspicion that Raymond played a part in this and that's why the seemingly incomprehensible rumors of him being pushed out existed.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Apr 2016
13360 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 5:36 pm to
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Don Jackson, an Alabama-based attorney representing the Fulton family who spoke to The Advocate on Sunday.


Jackson teaches my Amateur Sports AND Professional Sports Law classes at Cumberland, he represents athletes with his firm The Sports Group out of Montgomery. In terms of the positions he holds relative to the NCAA and professional athlete dynamic with his/her respective league, I think he's insane and I've articulated my disagreements with his positions on many an occasion. He's sharp and articulate and the statements he expressed are classic Jackson. That being said, you'll never hear me say a bad thing about him personally love talking sports and contracts with him every chance I get and he helps his students with opportunities to get into the sports field.
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16979 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:08 pm to
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He went to Rummell, so Im assuming this is steroids. Rummel was steroids central early 2000s


This is stupid on several levels. Biggest one being you don’t know shite.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16130 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:13 pm to
The NCAA is the least funny joke in America. I don't understand why the P5 schools haven't broken away yet.

I say if the next appeal is the same Kangaroo Court BS, go ahead and play him - who gives a damn if wins are "vacated" - they still happened no matter what some corrupt organization says.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78105 posts
Posted on 3/12/18 at 6:17 pm to
I mean, they can’t offer players without Os approval and O decided we needed 6 DTs because O doesn’t look ahead to problems, he only reacts to them.
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